UFOs are scouting our nuclear weapons stockpile

[ArtVandelay]

@vinraith

I can’t help but notice that your standards of evidence are inconsistent, and that for you it appears that extraordinary claims are the ones that require the least evidence.

That’s the beauty of aliens as an explanation. Any UFO or UAP or however you call them can’t have mundane, earthbound origin, because they don’t perfectly match what we know about weather or aircraft or radars. But we don’t know anything about aliens, so there can’t be a conflict. Anything can be aliens, and the worse our information about a given “thing”, the more compelling the lizardmen are as an answer.

[vinraith]

@ArtVandelay

That’s the beauty of aliens as an explanation. Any UFO or UAP or however you call them can’t have mundane, earthbound origin, because they don’t perfectly match what we know about weather or aircraft or radars. But we don’t know anything about aliens, so there can’t be a conflict. Anything can be aliens, and the worse our information about a given “thing”, the more compelling the lizardmen are as an answer.

I’m genuinely grateful to this thread for having kind of crystalized that understanding for me.

[Destarius]

For the longest time instead of aliens it was “God”, though.

[vinraith]

@Destarius

For the longest time instead of aliens it was “God”, though.

Demons too. Aliens have done a great job of filling in for demons in modern culture. See also Sagan’s Demon Haunted World, which has an extended discussion of exactly this topic.

[Destarius]

Thanks for that point-out, something I definitely want to read.

[RichVR]

My interest is, how do we talk to a truly alien culture? Will there ever be an understanding? And if yes, how? How do we talk to something that is so alien that we might be frightened buy their appearance. Will abject fear define the way we try to communicate?

[vinraith]

@RichVR

My interest is, how do we talk to a truly alien culture? Will there ever be an understanding? And if yes, how? How do we talk to something that is so alien that we might be frightened buy their appearance. Will abject fear define the way we try to communicate?

And the truth is that speculation like that (which is a very interesting question, I agree), and the Fermi Paradox discussion probably warrant their own separate thread.

[RichVR]

Reasonable.

[orald]

@RichVR

Will there ever be an understanding?

And we all know what misunderstanding can lead to.

[Wallapuctus]

I don’t know of any meteorological phenomenon that could make a 40 ft metal tube appear and jam an f-18s radar.

[ArtVandelay]

I don’t know of any aliens that could make a 40 ft metal tube appear and jam an f-18s radar. Do you?

[vinraith]

Oh cool, where’s the tube? What kind of metal is it made of? Is it really 40 ft long? I mean, we’ve got the tube, right? And it’s made of some extraordinary alloy that can’t be explained by terrestrial means? And it appeared out of thin air in plain view of lots of people with clear recordings of this occurring?

Or is this another fuzzy dot?

[Juan_Raigada]

@Mr.GRIM

@Juan_Raigada

@Mr.GRIM

The pentagon has ruled out US tech.

Citation? All we know so far is that some of them were indeed US tech.

Posted up thread. Government Report Finds No Evidence U.F.O.s Were Alien Spacecraft - The New York Times

“The report determines that the vast majority of more than 120 incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any American military or other advanced U.S. government technology”

Do you understand the quote you dug out it’s indeed saying some of them are US tech as I said? Whether some of those are actually the incidents hard to explain by other means, we don’t yet know. But words have a meaning and so far this is what they’ve said, that some were indeed US tech.

@Mr.GRIM

@Juan_Raigada

@Mr.GRIM

Considering this tech was on display 20 years ago (maybe even since the late forties)

Citation?

You can’t actually be serious. This entire thread that was started over 10 years ago is full of discussion of various sightings, some of them from the 70’s/80’s. Here’s a good one, the RB-47 case from 1957. 4 aircrew witnesses, picked up on multiple sensors including aircraft and ground station radar.
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Yep, is this is the kind of “evidence” we are discussing there’s nothing really to discuss.

Look, the current conversation is about the newer videos and the supposed current interest of the US military in these matters, and all these “uncompromised” whistleblowers. Apparently, as some have said in this thread, “this is the big deal”. Well, try to support your claims using these new reports, because if you have to fall back to ancient sightings with not hard proof attached to them, we are back into square one, and the new “big deal” happens to be another whiff and you guys are back to support extraordinary claims with blurry/eyewitness evidence.

[Juan_Raigada]

@Mr.GRIM

You can’t actually be serious. This entire thread that was started over 10 years ago is full of discussion of various sightings, some of them from the 70’s/80’s. Here’s a good one, the RB-47 case from 1957. 4 aircrew witnesses, picked up on multiple sensors including aircraft and ground station radar.
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Apparently this “case” was thoroughly debunked in 1974.

p57.pdf

[newbrof]

thanks, great read!

Surprisingly, commercial and military pilots appear to make relatively poor witnesses.

from the pdf, cited the The Hynek UFO Report, 1977

It’s amazing how many UFO seightings were actually seightings of planet Venus (e.g. former president Carter)

[newbrof]

"Pyramid UFO" - NEW FOOTAGE. It's Just Bokeh, not a Pyramid

[newbrof]

and another one

now I feel stupid for even wasting a second on this garbage

[Juan_Raigada]

Oh no! You linked Mike West!

You will now face the wrath of the true believers…

[newbrof]

why? Who is Mike West? Sounds very reasonable to me… tic tac my ass
You know, those pilots, they get their 15 minutes of fame. Maybe that’s all there is…

[Juan_Raigada]

@newbrof

why? Who is Mike West? Sounds very reasonable to me… tic tac my ass
You know, those pilots, they get their 15 minutes of fame. Maybe that’s all there is…

Mick West, sorry.

As to how useful his debunking is to convince true believers…

@Wallapuctus

Such as? If you link a Mick West video I swear… :P

@Mr.GRIM

Sounds pretty wild. Also someone should check on Mick West. His theories of “Gimbal” being another fighter jet and Go fast being a balloon are on some shaky ground.

@Mr.GRIM

That’s totally accurate. What makes these videos interesting is the context in which they exist, something Mick completely ignores. Also I don’t think you need to evoke anything supranatural for them to be interesting.

@Wallapuctus

If only this pilot had Mick West’s Twitter feed in his cockpit, he’d be assured this was all nonsense and he was crazy.

@Wallapuctus

Mick West is an influencer whose brand is debunking things. Jeremy Corbell is and influencer whose brand is selling UFO belief. One of these two guys had been repeatedly backed up by statements affirming their position from the Pentagon and Senators.

@Mr.GRIM

At the end when they say “Splash. Splash. Mark bearing and Range.”

That would indicate they are able to determine bearing and range. If they can do that, than they should be able to determine its speed in relation to the wind. Of course we aren’t privy to that info. All we know is this incident was said to have lasted a few hours and with multiple “objects” and that it was included in UAP intelligence briefings as an unknown.

I guess the takeaway is the Navy can’t identify balloons, and they should hire Mick West to help them.

@Wallapuctus

Commander Fravor debunks Mick West.

Response to Mick West Debunking | David Fravor and Lex Fridman - YouTube

“It’s funny how people can extrapolate stuff who have never operated the system.”

Of course, if you look at his explanations and the math behind (and run the numbers) you see he’s most probably right, but whatever…

As with the RB-47 case linked before, in order to push this stuff you need to willfully ignore the more sensible explanations.