UFOs are scouting our nuclear weapons stockpile

[JMR]

Ceiling xenomorph is watching you argue over aliens.

[Timex]

@Wallapuctus

This is a poor argument. We are incredibly interesting. We do crazy shit all the time. We value completely arbitrary things like shiny rocks and bitcoins. We simultaneously hurl around nuclear weapons and obsess over Kim Kardashian’s Instagram touch ups.

And, we devote tremendous time, energy, and resources studying very boring animals all the time.

Nah man… you’re just imagining that stuff is interesting. Certainly if life is abundant, there’s absolutely no reason to believe that we’d be more interesting than the other forms of life out there. If life is abundant, then we aren’t special. No one would give a shit about us.

And if life isn’t abundant… then there’s no one to give a shit about us.

And really man… no, we don’t spend tremendous time, energy, and resources studying boring animals. We spend a vanishingly small amount of our overall resources studying such things. A handful of humans in the entire species dedicate themselves to such stuff.

[TheWombat]

Ok, I want one of those to put in my classrooms.

[newbrof]

Mick West is so good at explaining stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwa-yYCEGEc?t=817

those military experts can’t even identify a contrail made by a plane in their infrared videos. I see a repeating pattern here. Using infrared videos to identify stuff is really hard, because they don’t look like the actual objects, they are just in the shape of the emitting heat (signature).

[Juan_Raigada]

@tomchick

@Wallapuctus

It’s fucking UFOs. It’s an inherently silly subject.

If only. It’s a lack of scientific literacy and an inability to engage in critical thinking. Which is pretty much the opposite of silly these days.

-Tom

This is the reason I spend as much time in this thread as I do.

[orald]

@newbrof

Mick West is so good at explaining stuff

He is.

And, I took to the opportunity to share this video at about the 20 minute mark with our daughter who is a math whiz, as it is a nice opportunity to show how trigonometry can be applied to solve an interesting, real-life puzzle.

Thanks for sharing this.

[newbrof]

for me, the takeaway is, that there are possible explanations that don’t require aliens from outter space.
Sadly, I would love to have that happen during my lifetime. But it is just not happening …

[Giles_Habibula]

@newbrof

Mick West is so good at explaining stuff

Thanks for posting it. Every bit of that video made perfect sense, and I quite enjoyed it. Kudos to the dude. He’s obviously spent a lot of time and effort figuring this stuff out. He’s clear and easy to understand, uses lots of examples, and makes his case well.

I’ve previously said that I like to keep an open mind with regard to UFOs. But I think it’s just as important to keep an open mind when rational explanations are being presented.

[Houngan]

It wouldn’t surprise me that there are so many commercial sightings that they don’t even bother putting out a press release. Plus those would only be eyeball witness accounts without the corroborating instrument packages that military planes carry.

[CLWheeljack]

@Timex

We spend a vanishingly small amount of our overall resources studying such things. A handful of humans in the entire species dedicate themselves to such stuff.

Aliens who have interstellar travel probably have so much energy that they’re in a post-scarcity economy, and thus probably the entire population devotes their time to things that we would find very boring (well, assuming they weren’t able to invent sex holodecks).

[Wallapuctus]

This guy debunks Mick West with Digital Combat Simulator, and his experience as an f-18 pilot.

Gimbal video is NOT debunked THE-DE-DE-DE-De-BUNKING video of justice. Check and Mate! Mate!

I don’t understand any of this math because I haven’t done any math in like 20 years.

[ArtVandelay]

@CLWheeljack

Aliens who have interstellar travel probably have so much energy that they’re in a post-scarcity economy, and thus probably the entire population devotes their time to things that we would find very boring (well, assuming they weren’t able to invent sex holodecks).

Why do we think that “economy”, “boring”, and “sex” are concepts that exist for them?

[newbrof]

it looks like he is not correct, and maybe he is hard to understand because it is not correct. Here is the answer of Mick, which I could follow and understand.

Response to F-16 Pilot Chris Lehto's "De-Debunking" of GoFast and Gimbal

[Wallapuctus]

The video I posted is in response to this one you posted. He posted it today. That one is from last week. They’re having a math battle on youtube

[newbrof]

there is nothing better than a battle between two math wizards. Let’s do this! I know that Mick West invited Lehto to have an open, direct discussion. But it looks like it didn’t happen…

[RichVR]

A battle between two real wizards?

[Wallapuctus]

That Lehto dude is basically doing proofs and using that video game someone posted in the Top Gun thread to do it, and it’s pretty cool. His argument is Mick West forgot some variables because he isn’t a pilot and doesn’t understand the instruments. Which is what David Fravor said, but much more curtly.

[WhollySchmidt]

Only one of them has a hat, the other is a sorcerer.

[Juan_Raigada]

@Wallapuctus

That Lehto dude is basically doing proofs and using that video game someone posted in the Top Gun thread to do it, and it’s pretty cool. His argument is Mick West forgot some variables because he isn’t a pilot and doesn’t understand the instruments. Which is what David Fravor said, but much more curtly.

Did you watch the video? I did and had no idea what his point even was.

Edit: ok, so I went to the previous Mick West video to understand, since it matters when things are actually explained.

There are two issues. One, he used the simulator to calculate an approximated turn rate, but inputted a wrong temperature value, which drastically changes turn rate. When confronted in his own videos’ comments, he acknowledged the mistake and that the air speed would be indeed lower than presented in the video, and thus the turn rate. So the conclusions of the video are off and the object is farther than he calculates there. Close to the Mick West analysis but not quite there. (He also seems to misunderstand what load factor is and how weight affects turn performance -it limits the maximum turn ratio, but does not change the turn ratio at a given speed/angle, so I would take the “expertise” of the analysis with a grain of salt, specially the maths)

But even if he had used the simulator properly and gotten the right speed, all his analysis shows is that the object is much closer and moving at 0.6 match. So it that case it’s not an airliner -it would be too easy to identify-, but it’s still an object moving at a constant 740 km/h in a straight line. Hardly extraordinary.

Again, he might have a point hidden somewhere, but it’s hard to see. Mick West calculations can be off or not, but the basis of the debunk (movement due to parallax, thermal glare, rotating due to gimbal) would still hold under this video’s assumptions. Maybe we would be talking of a smaller plane, but it’s still something with many more feasible explanations than aliens. And that’s if the video was right, which he admitted it isn’t in the comment of the video itself.

[newbrof]

DCS simulator looks really great. I will never have time to learn this, though.