UFOs are scouting our nuclear weapons stockpile

[Giles_Habibula]

Brown Holes do exist. Theoretically speaking, there are billions of them on Earth alone. Which is crazy to think about, because if you get too close to one, you’ll get sucked right in. Mathematically speaking, this is happening all the damn time. Which could explain all of the brown people all over the Earth.

[Giles_Habibula]

I don’t know if I’ve posted this link before.

Blog

This guy keeps a pretty sharp eye on all this stuff.
I mean, I love UFO talk and I loved Art Bell back in the day. But I do also enjoy reading the take from the other side.

[Menzo]

Just so people can preview what this guy is about, here’s the kicker:

His speculative ideas are straight out of middle twentieth century science fiction, particularly the so-called “zoo hypothesis” that appeared in a number of stories at that time, imagining that Earth was essentially a zoo run by space aliens.

Your call as to whether you want to listen to him talk for over an hour, and that’s just Part 2.

I’m curious, but not curious enough to listen to him spout crazy for an hour, if he sees a difference between claiming that Earth is a zoo run by all powerful, but invisible aliens vs. God.

[Giles_Habibula]

@Menzo

Just so people can preview what this guy is about, here’s the kicker:

Okay, first off, that’s a quote from the most recent article about Lue Elizondo.

The Blog is by Jason Colavito, who is quite decidedly not Lue Elizondo. Colavito is also anti-UFO, anti pseudo-science, and a skeptic. If you’ll scan a few more of his blog posts, you’ll see how critical he is of these people. However, I think he’s also not overly biased, and doesn’t really make fun of anyone (well, maybe he does, but he’s subtle about it).

[Menzo]

OK fair, yeah, the article is that dude reporting about the crazy dude. But the crazy dude is still crazy.

[Giles_Habibula]

Yeah. His reporting is quite dry, which can make it difficult to see where he’s coming from. But I enjoy his reporting. That blog and this thread are the only ways I can keep up on this stuff.

For instance, he has watched and done a review on every episode of Ancient Aliens. You have to admire his tenacity. Here’s a recent example:

Review of Ancient Aliens S17E05 "The Human Experiment"

A snippet of that review:

Segment 1
The show opens in the now-familiar Ancient Aliens orange conference room with an all-star panel of talking heads speculating from Biblical texts that aliens genetically modified human beings because they saw one primate species “had potential,” thus creating anatomically modern humans. The narrator proceeds to attack evolutionary theory, claiming science proved that Charles Darwin was “incorrect” about some claims he made in 1859, and Giorgio Tsoukalos, resurrecting Victorian anti-evolution arguments, says that Darwin’s mistakes leave us in search of the “missing link” to humanity, something that can’t be found because aliens, not nature, created us. There’s a lot to unpack there, from the show’s refusal to understand that science corrects and builds on ideas rather than fossilized them (so Darwin’s small errors are not dogma but rather hypotheses that didn’t pan out) to the show’s very obvious efforts to reenchant the world and restore a supernatural origin story to humanity by finding a way to make “modern science” support the Bible.

A lengthy segment discusses alteration of DNA using CRISPR, and Tsoukalos says that DNA technology existed in ancient times, with aliens. He falsely claims that Erich von Däniken said in Chariots of the Gods that the proof of aliens would be found in our DNA. Point of fact: Neither DNA nor genes is mentioned in Chariots . Indeed, in that book von Däniken thought aliens created humans by having sex with primates, a position he maintained until Ancient Aliens finally changed his tune in the late 2010s. It’s not good that I know more about Chariots of the Gods than von Däniken’s own “protégé.”

…

Segment 6
The talking heads bash “Darwinian evolution” some more, demonstating their complete lack of understanding of all of the scientific developments in evolution biology since the 1960s. Their cartoon version is straight out of early twentieth century textbooks, before even punctuated equilibrium and other modificiations of Darwin’s ideas. The various talking heads and the narrator keep repeating the question of whether aliens could have altered human DNA to evolve us toward the aliens, as though repetition will somehow make an evidence-free claim true. The end result is that the talking heads agree that aliens are good and that their “end goal” is to “usher in a new era” where humans transcend to “angelic” status by eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and becoming genetically like alien gods. It’s a weird heresy, worshiping the Serpent, but what’s a little Satanism in the age of QAnon riots against cannibal Luciferians?

[ooomalley]

Holy shit. Is the show he’s talking about, like, a real show? That actually preaches that kind of absolute nonsense?

If so, I’m about to be a whole lot less confused about how we got Trump (let alone QAnon).

[Giles_Habibula]

@ooomalley

Is the show he’s talking about, like, a real show?

In its 17th season.

[John_Many_Jars]

@ooomalley

Holy shit. Is the show he’s talking about, like, a real show? That actually preaches that kind of absolute nonsense?

If so, I’m about to be a whole lot less confused about how we got Trump (let alone QAnon).

The Art Bell show definitely helped prepare the way for QAnon, and Trump too. The extreme “Let people decide for themselves” justification of nonsense was his refrain, and Art was on the nutty end of conservative, living on a desert ranch and having trees removed so he could have a “killing field” with his guns in case civilization collapses. He was the kind of older man who gets mail-order brides.

[vinraith]

@Giles_Habibula

In its 17th season.

On The History Channel, no less. An institution that started out to educate people (and occasionally still does) is simultaneously brainwashing them with obliquely racist nonsense.

[TheWombat]

@vinraith

On The History Channel , no less. An institution that started out to educate people (and occasionally still does) is simultaneously brainwashing them with obliquely racist nonsense.

Well, long ago we started referring to the History Channel as the “Hitler Channel,” because it seemed every other show was some WWII montage of German war footage and breathless descriptions of Tiger tanks and V-weapons.

[Juan_Raigada]

@Giles_Habibula

Yeah. His reporting is quite dry, which can make it difficult to see where he’s coming from. But I enjoy his reporting. That blog and this thread are the only ways I can keep up on this stuff.

He is quite the troll :P

Cthulhu in World Mythology

[ArtVandelay]

@TheWombat

Well, long ago we started referring to the History Channel as the “Hitler Channel,” because it seemed every other show was some WWII montage of German war footage and breathless descriptions of Tiger tanks and V-weapons.

And we can see the link to the thread subject here, as everyone knows where the Nazis got the tech for those super weapons.

[ooomalley]

Well, fuck me.

[TheWombat]

@ArtVandelay

And we can see the link to the thread subject here, as everyone knows where the Nazis got the tech for those super weapons.

And probably the fashion design too.

[espressojim]

Mentions of Art Bell always bring me back to the Fake Science episode of This American Life. Here’s the Art Bell segment.

Radio Science - This American Life

[Wallapuctus]

@John_Many_Jars

The Art Bell show definitely helped prepare the way for QAnon, and Trump too. The extreme “Let people decide for themselves” justification of nonsense was his refrain, and Art was on the nutty end of conservative, living on a desert ranch and having trees removed so he could have a “killing field” with his guns in case civilization collapses. He was the kind of older man who gets mail-order brides.

These are all accurate statements. But Art Bell’s show was magical and classic. Late night radio talking about weird and creepy shit. Like campfire stories. I have a lot of fond memories of listening to him.

A lot of you guys who shit on these conspiracy shows are probably quick to defend religion. Countless crimes and atrocities have been carried out in the name of fake gods (spoiler: They’re all fake. There’s no Yahweh and there’s no Thor and there’s no Allah). It’s just as nonsensical, but for some reason that’s a sacred institution? Humans like to believe in something bigger than themselves. Bad humans can exploit that.

[vinraith]

@Wallapuctus

A lot of you guys who shit on these conspiracy shows are probably quick to defend religion. Countless crimes and atrocities have been carried out in the name of fake gods (spoiler: They’re all fake. There’s no Yahweh and there’s no Thor and there’s no Allah). It’s just as nonsensical, but for some reason that’s a sacred institution? Humans like to believe in something bigger than themselves. Bad humans can exploit that.

This has to be one of the purest, clearest examples of a straw man argument I’ve ever seen. I feel like I should bookmark it so I can use it as a teaching example when we’re talking about logical fallacies.

[Wallapuctus]

I can argue belief in God paved the way for Q-Anon and that started 2500 years ago. What’s the straw man? Why single out Art Bell?

[vinraith]

@Wallapuctus

I can argue belief in God paved the way for Q-Anon and that started 2500 years ago. What’s the straw man? Why single out Art Bell?

You’re literally arguing with an imaginary person about a topic you just pulled out of thin air to distract from the actual discussion. I mean, seriously, it’s not subtle.