And by “pavements” he means what we UnitedStatesians call “sidewalks”. Yeah, it is kinda bullshit that developers don’t build those anymore.

Really? McDonald’s and co. didn’t start putting nutrition facts into their shit until a decade ago. Before the internet, good fucking luck finding nutrition facts at a fast food joint.

If you want information for the masses, you need education for the masses, and your dipshit neocon ass doesn’t want the government educating anyone. So let’s all go back to the stone age and pass word-of-mouth about how carrots and apples and peas are healthy, because that’s certainly what’s going on now, oh yeah. Taking responsibility as a society isn’t allowed, everyone has to do it by themselves via Google.

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It doesnt take any amount of brains to know that McDonalds and other fast food isnt healthy eating. Last time I checked everything I get at the grocery store has nutritional information on it. If people are too stupid or too lazy to actually read something provided to them, then I have no sympathy for them when they whine that the government needs to come and save them from themselves.

This is not true; they actively try to trick you with the food design. Sure, greasy food being bad for you is obvious, but today’s fast food has taken it to an entirely different level - the french fries, for chrissakes, are the highest calorie item on the menu there. Everything is crammed full of sugar and salt where you wouldn’t expect it. This applies to all of them - the food and non-plain drinks at Starbucks, for example, have ludicrous calorie counts. Greasy spoons were not like this in the 1950s; the food today has had corporate food scientists shitting it up.

Last time I checked everything I get at the grocery store has nutritional information on it.

…due to government mandates/threats thereof, which food companies constantly lie about anyway.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091231/ap_on_re_us/us_health_care_deal_states

Nice to see that some people are standing up to and making a story out of the bribe that was given to Nelson for his vote on health care. I know its politics as usual and all that for Washington, but it needs to stop at some point.

I am not sure what will come out of this, but it is most certainly something that needs to be reported on and discussed.

As to the french fries, well, you would expect that they’d be quite caloric–they’re deep-fried in oil after all. What’s amazing nowadays is how, at those chain eateries like TGI Friday’s and Chili’s and such, they’ve gone and made the healthy looking and sounding entrees much more caloric than you’d think or than they’d otherwise be, due to the “shitting it up” that you’ve mentioned-- I heard an interview on the radio where they found out that the chicken breast at those places is all pumped full of a solution that includes olive oil and HFCS and orange juice, which after all is said and done boosts its calories significantly.

The greasy spoons were healthier in the 50s? LOL!

I’m all for putting the info on the foods out there for everyone to easily access, in the fast food joints. We love Chick Fila - but I’m sure their nuggets are so good because of some kind of sugar in them.

I am not sure that putting the info out there makes a big difference, however, in the people wolfing down Big Mac meals. You can put warning labels on the side of the Big Mac and people who like them are gonna keep eating them (and they should have the right to eat them if they want.) Where I think the info is most useful if for people who DO want to eat better and think that the grilled chicken sandwich or chicken salad is healthy in the fast food stores, only to find (if the info is easily found in the store) it has as many calories as that Big Mac.

An interesting FWIW - someone had left a magazine on the last flight I was on, a magazine for people in the fast food industry. A couple of articles talked about the trend towards healthier eating and the challenges for fast food companies. We’ve all seen McDonalds and Burger King and others trying to offer "healthier foods on their menu. I believe the best approach is just education and emphasis on eating better, healthier lifestyles, etc. rather than heavy handed restrictions.

BTW - gotta love Sonic. They don’t even pretend to be healthy. EVERYTHING is fried. Even their cheesecake bites are fried, LOL!

I don’t know where you’d get the definitive information on the 1950s greasy spoon, but that’s my theory. I got the idea from noticing the food at Dick’s here in Seattle is way the hell healthier than McDonalds and the like. It’s just meat and potatoes, instead of whatever comes out of the corporate lard labs.

Well, I am not old enough to remember the 50s all that well but I doubt it was all that different than the early 60s and everything was fried in lard and soaked in butter.

The responsibility ultimately rests with the individual, yes. However, the intent of the Founders was clear in that they felt Federal (!) government should both regulate interstate commerce and promote the general welfare. I say this as a mostly constructionist libertarian here, not some wingbat nutter moonpie or whatever.

For example, don’t you think it is reasonable for legislators to require things like full disclosures in advertising? Things like the standardized label we have now (with calories, fat, etc) which we didn’t have 20 years ago? Things like requiring fast food chains to disclose plainly (say, at the point of sale) the amount of salt, fat, and calories in their so-called healthy salads? Things like not subsidizing certain vested interests (corn and beef are two big ones that come to mind)? Things like public health education for those who don’t have intarwebs at their fingertips to Google the nutritional fact sheets? How about a so-called “fat tax” so that the Big Mac chowhounds pay into the social fund from which they are likely to need to pull later on in life?

And so forth.

Well, I am not old enough to remember the 50s all that well but I doubt it was all that different than the early 60s and everything was fried in lard and soaked in butter.

At the very least you could look at the lard and butter and know what they were. I’d bet we can’t pronounce half of the ingredients that go into a McDonald’s french fry.

I like how Brett completely ignored Jason McCullough owning him in the fucking face.

That seems to be Brett’s MO; it’s why I have him on ignore. He’s the typical P&R troll - ignore posts that he can’t handle.

I think that the fast food industry is fine as it is, but people who need something fast and are too tired to cook, or too poor to afford kitchenwares and ingredients, or who have trouble wasting food need another option. As it is, even the “Fresh,” “Healthy,” “Organic,” fast food restaurants and table service chains are too healthy. The problem is that, in order to make a profit on food, you have to manage inventory very well, and you have to sell people things that they want to eat at a price they can afford. A healthy BigMac cannot cost the same as an unhealthy BigMac, because ingredients like salt and fat and sugar, which can compensate for lower quality meat, bread, tomato, and dressing, are cheaper than higher quality ingredients. In order to still turn a profit with higher costs, McDonald’s would have to develop new inventory management technology or slim down their menu.

There are healthy options at most places, but nobody buys them because nobody wants to eat them. A boring old salad, which costs more than a hamburger and is less satisfying takes a lot of willpower to buy. For a lot of people, that good feeling that they get when they shove something hot and delicious and slathered in fat and salt is the only good thing they have to look forward to in their entire broken down, soulless treadmill of a life. Kate Moss said that nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. Kate Moss is a cokemonkey whose bulimia must have burned off all her taste buds, because Cheesecake Factory makes me want to be fat. See, if I eat enough Cheesecake Factory Cheesecake, I’ll get real big, and once I’m really big, you know what I’ll be able to do? Eat the hell out of some more fucking cheesecake, that’s what.

Cheesecake doesn’t move, I don’t have to chase it. Why do I need to be fast for? I have a car if I need to go somewhere far, who cares if I sweat when I play cards? What’s my alternative, as a person, to eating things that make me happy? Eat only things that I hate for six months or longer, while each day performing strenous activity that takes me away from the computer/television combo I have in my living room? I don’t want to do those things. I especially don’t want to do those things so many times that I start to like doing them, because that’s basically like saying, in six months, the person I am today will be dead, and in his place, will be a condescending prick with a lot of blousy shirts and a wrinkled neck. Right now, getting up and turning the tatertots in my oven every eight minutes gets me winded, and that’s the way I like it, because then making tatertots seems like work, and when I’m done with my work, I can reward myself by eating the whole cookie sheet of tatertots and not feel bad. When I make eye contact at a stoplight with the spandex clad dick that bicycles everywhere, even in the dead of winter, I judge him, he judges me, but the difference is that one of us is slamming a big gulp while listening to Molly Hatchet, and the other one is a shivering bitch.

Comfort is victory.

He’s on a roll today, folks!

Wrong as usual, go back to trolling someone else who cares what an idiot like you thinks.

Jason didn’t dismember your foot and shove it up your own asshole with this post?
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=2028239&postcount=1593

That post isn’t directly above a post you made which completely ignored it?

You really need better comebacks if you’re going to flaunt your Limbaugh-testicle-sucking bullshit on these boards. Yes, you’re going to need them.

Health Care Conference Committee will be held in secret even though Obama promised they wouldn’t. Get ready for another reaming, America!

Happy happy fucking joy joy!

Fucking Right ON Flowers! Shit Yeah!

Also, I wanted to point out that it is often not the easiest thing in the world to actually find the healthy foods you are trying to buy. For example, I have a vivid memory from my childhood asking my mom why all the people I saw in the city were so fat. She pointed to the grocery store we were passing and said, “You see that? That’s the only grocery store in a three mile radius” (or some ridiculous distance, it’s been a few years). A few years down the road and more visits to the city and holy shit was she right. Either you can spend at a restaurant, or get soul food/chinese takeout/mcdonalds for cheap. There are literally no other options.

Also, a word of advice to Brett: dude…you just got called out. You gotta respond to that, man. You just do.

Right…because Obama can tell the Senate and House what to do.