United States Healthcare Reform

Hawkeye_Fierce · 2010-01-19T13:19:43.000Z

While I suppose that’s good news for my side, I still think InTrade is a crock of shit.

jeffd · 2010-01-19T13:34:02.000Z

I agree. Intrade has absolutely no predictive value.

Malathor · 2010-01-19T16:37:21.000Z

wahoo:

Hmm…Scott Brown’s in-trade value has collapsed as turnout word of mouth is getting out.

Funny, I go to intrade and see Scott Brown over 80 atm with nothing resembling a collapse.

DragonPup · 2010-01-19T16:39:21.000Z

For what it is worth I got back from voting not that long ago. I live in a town of 33ish thousand people, and in my district, I was the 1022nsd vote cast. There’s at least 12 districts and the poll workers said they haven’t seen it this busy since Obama was elected president. Coakley can still win this.

Brettmcd · 2010-01-19T16:52:55.000Z

DragonPup:

For what it is worth I got back from voting not that long ago. I live in a town of 33ish thousand people, and in my district, I was the 1022nsd vote cast. There’s at least 12 districts and the poll workers said they haven’t seen it this busy since Obama was elected president. Coakley can still win this.

Hopefully you are wrong in that prediction.

Jason_McCullough · 2010-01-19T17:26:28.000Z

RCP is the only live blog I can find at the moment with data.

Two cautiously optimistic data points:

8:19pm Results are tricking in. With 36 precincts – almost 2% ! – Brown is still at 55%-45%. Ashland is in, giving Brown a 54%-45% lead. Romney won it 59%-36%. Unless Brown is putting together a different coalition than Romney’s, he’s in trouble. - Sean Trende

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8:15pm The town of Bolton is all the way in. It is 57%-42% for Brown. In 2002, it went 61%-32% for Romney. Not a great sign for Brown. - Sean Trende

They’re referring to the somewhat-analogous 2002 Mitt Romney-won governor’s race, who won 50-45.

Malathor · 2010-01-19T17:38:11.000Z

Jason McCullough:

Two cautiously optimistic data points:

One extremely optimistic data point. Olbermann looks like he’s going to cry.

Jason_McCullough · 2010-01-19T17:51:33.000Z

He’s a total drama queen though!

If Brown is running 5+ behind Romney he’s going to have a hard time. Dunno what the turnout looks like though.

Jason_McCullough · 2010-01-19T18:01:51.000Z

John Stewart sums it up.

Jason_McCullough · 2010-01-19T18:10:43.000Z

Wow, Dracut loves them some Scott Brown. 70%-30%, versus 59%-36% for Romney.

9:03pm – With close to 60% in, Brown is up 53%-46%. Boston is 1/3 of the way in. Coakley’s going to start running out of votes soon. - Sean Trende

Aaand she’s probably dead.

Hawkeye_Fierce · 2010-01-19T18:12:45.000Z

Yep. Evil beats incompetent. Way to go, Democrats.

Jason_McCullough · 2010-01-19T18:20:07.000Z

Next up: weeks of ludicrous overreaction from the political class.

Brettmcd · 2010-01-19T18:27:49.000Z

Hawkeye Fierce:

Yep. Evil beats incompetent. Way to go, Democrats.

Grow up.

Papageno · 2010-01-19T18:33:28.000Z

Well, now is the time for the House Dems to hold their noses and vote for the Senate bill as is. Otherwise HCR is dead for another twenty years or until the current system utterly collapses.

Mordrak · 2010-01-19T18:36:18.000Z

Wait for the collapse. Perhaps then we’ll wake up. Honestly, I’m getting to the point where I just want to see it all burn.

Menzo · 2010-01-19T21:03:53.000Z

Papageno:

Well, now is the time for the House Dems to hold their noses and vote for the Senate bill as is. Otherwise HCR is dead for another twenty years or until the current system utterly collapses.

Not going to happen. The current bill is dead unless Dems can sack up and figure out how to pass something with 59 votes.

Papageno · 2010-01-19T21:54:20.000Z

You mean, with a couple of Republican votes? Like that’s going to happen. If they hang together as they have so far, nothing can come to an up or down vote!

AndrewMyers · 2010-01-19T21:57:48.000Z

They could grow some stones and change the fucking cloture rules.

magnet · 2010-01-19T22:07:48.000Z

Pathetic. What were Democrats planning to do about health care when Obama was inaugurated, anyway? You know, way back when they only had 59 votes?

Menzo · 2010-01-19T22:27:11.000Z

magnet:

Pathetic. What were Democrats planning to do about health care when Obama was inaugurated, anyway? You know, way back when they only had 59 votes?

That’s what I don’t understand. It’s effectively one year ago right now. We just won the Presidency and vast majorities in both the House and Senate. We have 59 votes. On that day we didn’t hear, “oh well, too bad we didn’t get one more seat, because now, with just this majority, we can’t actually do anything.”

Fuck Reid and Pelosi. Time to get new leadership that knows how to lead.