Update: Forcible evictions in NO

It looks like this has started. They are being really inflexible about this. MSNBC showed this wealthy lawyers whose house was undamaged, in a dry part of town and he had plenty of supplies and generator. He was pissed and said if they tried to force him out there was going to be shooting. I think they need to use a little common sense and judgment here.

Update: Honore says Feds won’t enforce this.

I think it’s the residents that need to show the judgement. This city is a mess and even the dry areas aren’t safe from waterborne diseases spread by animals and insects. If it’s a citywide evacuation, it’s a citywide evacuation.

Don’t know why I’ve got the lyrics of an old Flying Burrito Brother’s song in my head these days.

This old earthquake’s gonna leave me in the poor house
It seems like this whole town’s insane
On the thirty-first floor a gold plated door
Won’t keep out the Lord’s burning rain
The scientists say
It will all wash away
But we don’t believe any more

Eviction or evacuation?

While technical definitions could be similar for each word, the context of each are entirely different.

Good point. It seems my mind was leaning a certain way…

It is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The “authorities” do not have the RIGHT to insist on an evacuation. All they have is POWER. Just like Mao.

If the owners want to stay there, that is THEIR BUSINESS and nobody else’s. Just because you think their judgement is wrong does not give you the right to impose your opinion on them, particularly when they are not hurting anyone by doing so and not asking anything in particular from the government other than to be left alone.

That the area is flooded and poisoned and unlivable is irrelevant to whether property owners have the right to occupy property that they have full legal title to.

I find this to be equally disturbing.

Don’t you think Mao is a little exaggerated? :)

Lino, you beat me to the gun thing. What the fuck is going on down there?

Nice use of caps, but still incorrect. There are circumstances when government can trump property rights for the greater good. Eminent domain is a good example of this principle.

In this case, the city is lawless and the only way to ensure the safety of the workers trying to clean up the mess is to clean the city out of residents. It’s a drastic step certainly, but the situation is horrible and calls for drastic steps.

I am about the biggest screecher for civil rights there is, but even I agree here. These people need to go without any exceptions. The city is not safe, and there is no reason to be there, especially if you’re rich. Pack up and take your valuables with you. Fly to Bermuda. Take a holiday.

Im sure some are worried about returning to their property to find its no longer their property. I wouldnt be suprised to see a few companies making some land grabs, or landlords demolishing their tenants flats where they couldnt before.

As for the Gun thing, you know the right to bear arms thingy you yanks love so much ?

Its gone.

The Interdictor has a few words to say on it.

What rights do you have under martial law anyway?

Not to mention one of the issues is infectious disease, which is a public safety issue even if you’re in your own home.

Louisiana doesn’t have a martial law provision in the constitution.

As far as the guns, you could argue that anyone still living in the city is resisting legitimate law enforcement activities (since the evac was mandatory) and may be disarmed.

In fairness, if everyone would go like they have been ordered to, there wouldn’t be any landlords or companies in the city to do those things.

Except they arent 'evaucuating private security brought in by biz, or disarming those particular private citixens who are alos presumably ‘in danger’ and dont even have any stake in the area.

Well, that’s a problem, then.

Which would be just as unconstitutional under Louisiana’s constitution as declaring martial law. Details, details…

Which would be just as unconstitutional under Louisiana’s constitution as declaring martial law. Details, details…[/quote]

Why? The police can temporarily disarm a citizen in the process of carrying out other duties. If a bank is being robbed and the police show up, and you are an innocent customer, and they tell you to put down your gun and move to the other side of the room, they have that right.

Just because it’s better than it was last week doesn’t make this not an emergency zone.
I’m a big rights screecher and I don’t share Euri’s socialism wrt property, but this is completely within the purview of disaster response and law enforcement.

The “disarming everyone but private security” is kind of scary. Blackwater employees are private citizens like anyone else, in theory.

Which would be just as unconstitutional under Louisiana’s constitution as declaring martial law. Details, details…[/quote]

Why? The police can temporarily disarm a citizen in the process of carrying out other duties. If a bank is being robbed and the police show up, and you are an innocent customer, and they tell you to put down your gun and move to the other side of the room, they have that right.[/quote]

That is a far far cry from stopping by your home and demanding your firearms.