VR - Is it really going to be a success? Or, thanks Time for starting a discussion!

[Ginger_Yellow]

Third, technically. There was the Go.

[MikeJ]

They have that exact thing at the local kid’s museum. A sand table with a off-the-shelf depth sensor and a projector. It’s pretty fun to play with!

[schurem]

@MikeJ

off-the-shelf depth sensor

The one at my kid’s school uses a kinect for that.

[TurinTur]

Quest vs Quest 2 comparison. As always in those ‘through the lens’ comparisons, take them carefully, as in real life it may be different.

THROUGH THE LENSES - Quest 2 vs Quest 1

(put the video in 4k and full screen!)

[Mellified]

Beat Saber Gets Multiplayer Release Date

[Profanicus]

@TurinTur

Quest vs Quest 2 comparison.

Looks pretty decent, like the jump from Rift to Rift S.

Though I read we don’t get the increased resolution (and refresh) until sometime after launch when they fix the software, so I wonder if this is actually just showing the difference between the panels using the same rendering resolution?

If so it will be even better after the patches!

[marxeil]

Sorry if this was asked before / stupid question: If this is a standalone device, does it mean it’s only possible to play games bought from Oculus store? Will it be required to plug it into a PC to play games bought elsewhere.

My son is bothering us to allow him to replace the old Rift with this. It’s grandparents and birthday money he’s been saving for a few years, but I still find it hard to justify getting another VR set. He doesn’t use it that often…

[Profanicus]

Native Quest titles are purchased on the Oculus store. You can also side load other (mostly free/indie) native stuff, using SideQuest app.

When using Oculus Link cable, you can stream Oculus Rift and SteamVR titles to the Quest.

If you want to avoid plugging in a cable to the PC you can get Virtual Desktop (3rd party software), which does a similar thing but wirelessly. You do ideally need a wired connection from PC to router, and 5Ghz WiFi for this to work well.

[Mellified]

One important consideration is cross-buy games. Having the Quest version and the PC (“Rift”) version both is nice since the PC versions generally look better. Beat Saber isn’t cross buy for the base game BUT all the DLC is cross buy.

Definitely consider the Quest version of Virtual Desktop if you have a PC wired to the router and a 5Ghz wireless router. It works great for most games and being wire free is amazing.

[marxeil]

@Profanicus

If you want to avoid plugging in a cable to the PC you can get Virtual Desktop (3rd party software), which does a similar thing but wirelessly. You do ideally need a wired connection from PC to router, and 5Ghz WiFi for this to work well.

@Mellified

Definitely consider the Quest version of Virtual Desktop if you have a PC wired to the router and a 5Ghz wireless router. It works great for most games and being wire free is amazing.

Thanks for the info. I do have all of this setup so I’ll set it up if we go for it.

@Mellified

since the PC versions generally look better.

Wait, you’re saying that games look better on the old rift, or does this only apply to Quest mark I?

[TurinTur]

@marxeil

Wait, you’re saying that games look better on the old rift, or does this only apply to Quest mark I?

He’s just saying that the pc version of games look better than the Quest versions, that makes sense as pc are more powerful than the cpu/gpu contained in a Quest 1/2.

[marxeil]

@TurinTur

He’s just saying that the pc version of games look better than the Quest versions, that makes sense as pc are more powerful than the cpu/gpu contained in a Quest 1/2.

What, so if I side load a PC version on a Quest 2 what do I get? An ugly game that also lags?

[Profanicus]

@marxeil

What, so if I side load a PC version on a Quest 2 what do I get? An ugly game that also lags?

You get nothing - Quest is an Android device, it won’t play any PC stuff directly. The side loads are all native made-for-Quest apps.

You play the PC titles by streaming them as compressed video from a PC to your Quest, either with a cable or wirelessly with Virtual Desktop.

For the games that have both Quest and PC/Rift versions, you could play the Quest version directly on the device, or stream the Rift version from your PC. So the PC is doing all the work.

Assuming the PC is well-specced, the streamed version would have PC-class visuals rather than the cut-down Quest-class visuals, at the cost of some latency and compression artefacts from the streaming.

[Mellified]

@Profanicus

For the games that have both Quest and PC/Rift versions, you could play the Quest version directly on the device, or stream the Rift version from your PC. So the PC is doing all the work.

Assuming the PC is well-specced, the streamed version would have PC-class visuals rather than the cut-down Quest-class visuals, at the cost of some latency and compression artefacts from the streaming.

Which is why cross-buy Quest / PC games are so nice. You can play the less impressive Quest version on the go AND get the better visuals when you’re near your PC - even wirelessly if you use Virtual Desktop.

[TurinTur]

@marxeil

@TurinTur

He’s just saying that the pc version of games look better than the Quest versions, that makes sense as pc are more powerful than the cpu/gpu contained in a Quest 1/2.

What, so if I side load a PC version on a Quest 2 what do I get? An ugly game that also lags?

This has to be the third or fourth time I read some variation of this idea. I think in one case someone was asking if they could use up their pc to boost a Quest game. It confuses me how people could be confused. I guess my optics of what is common knowledge are distorted, working in IT and being a geek and all that.

It’s like thinking you can use your PC to have more frames in Last of Us, or thinking you can load Switch games on the Quest. Not a chance. They are different devices, with different OS, with different apis, etc.

[Mellified]

@TurinTur

It’s like thinking you can use your PC to have more frames in Last of Us, or thinking you can load Switch games on the Quest. Not a chance. They are different devices, with different OS, with different apis, etc.

Yeah. Closest thing in reality I can think of: DX12 has the notion of multiple GPUs with different capabilities being usable by developers for different purposes. No one has attempted it to my knowledge though.

[Matt_W]

@Profanicus

Assuming the PC is well-specced, the streamed version would have PC-class visuals rather than the cut-down Quest-class visuals, at the cost of some latency and compression artefacts from the streaming.

And anecdote: I notice neither when I’m streaming to my Quest. HL:Alyx plays just fine with great visuals and no noticeable lag. Same with Lone Echo, Dirt Rally, X-Plane, etc.

[Mellified]

Good point. I don’t notice any difference either.

[Profanicus]

Well, ‘your mileage may vary’ I guess! :)

Using Virtual Desktop I can notice the compressed visuals (running on the max quality/streaming settings). I mean it’s not bad but it’s there. I do have a native PC device for comparison though.

And if I move my hands around in front of my head slowly, I can see they are not as smooth as native.

[marxeil]

@TurinTur

This has to be the third or fourth time I read some variation of this idea. I think in one case someone was asking if they could use up their pc to boost a Quest game. It confuses me how people could be confused. I guess my optics of what is common knowledge are distorted, working in IT and being a geek and all that.

It’s like thinking you can use your PC to have more frames in Last of Us, or thinking you can load Switch games on the Quest. Not a chance. They are different devices, with different OS, with different apis, etc.

Or maybe it’s like I’ve never before read a single word about the Quest and how it works because I didn’t care, and after reading Profanicus’s most excellent post now I understand how it works about as well as you do :)