You guys are attributing a lot of calm and reasoned thinking into what was essentially a panic situation. I don’t think Rick was weighting pros and cons and mulling over the past and whatever else … It was a pure adrenaline move, one which I think will prove fruitless.

Or the writers will drag out Hershel for several episodes as he appears to get better but then overnight becomes a zombie and hurts someone and then Rick is real sorry about the whole thing.

They’re free to shoot him in the face after he turns into a zombie a couple of days after he suffers an excruciatingly painful death from a hacked off leg (assuming it doesn’t work).

Basically, they’re much more pragmatic after the winter than they were before and one Herschel-zombie ain’t all that big a risk balanced against the chance (however small) that he might live. Frankly, the only reason to straight-up put him down would be mercy to him: the group safety issue is small since they won’t be surprised by any turning.

Honestly, you’re fixating on one of the more reasonable situations in this show when there’s so much other low-hanging fruit.

You can reason rather quickly in an emergency. Infected? Dead man limping! Wait, the infection spreads real slow. Hell, let’s give it a shot! hackmanglechop

And just because the writers didn’t laboriously foreshadow the event (kind of removes the shock value) doesn’t mean the characters hadn’t already worked out that it was an option should the necessity arise. Maybe they are Bruce Campbell fans!

Or the writers will drag out Hershel for several episodes as he appears to get better but then overnight becomes a zombie and hurts someone and then Rick is real sorry about the whole thing.

I have an opinion on that, but since it involves other events that happen in the comic, it would be more polite not to discuss them openly - the TV series diverges from the comic in any number of ways and that’s all I should probably say.

That was the only thing I could puzzle out as well, but it struck me as amazingly stupid. Pet food has to be safe to eat in the US for humans or they can’t sell it. It’s not formulated for us to eat so the basic nutrition won’t be perfect, but it’s a lot better than ketchup packets.

The comic and the TV show are so different now I don’t know what’s going to happen. Usually I like to titter to myself over people’s responses predicting what’s going to happen next but with the Walking Dead who the hell knows, they could be right. Which is cool by me.

For an “adult-oriented drama”. I think that there are still some Disney Channel specials (e.g., High School Musical 2) and at least one Spongebob Squarepants episode that beat this one out. And if you include premium channels (which of course is comparing apples to oranges), HBO has a couple shows that did better in terms of total viewers.

Still, it’s a major accomplishment: it had more viewers than any new series on broadcast networks, and did better in the young-adult demographic than “Modern Family” or “The Voice”. That should scare network execs quite badly.

So it beat out Mad Men?

I think the level of stupid depends on how much other food they’ve found. As you say, it’s better than ketchup packets, but we don’t know what else they’ve got.

Still, I agree that you might want to stash it in the trunk of your Hyundai (or whatever car they were promoting) for a rainy day, even if you currently have much better food.

It did that last year. The Mad Men season premier for the forth season was 2.92 million, while TWD’s second season premier was over 7 million and the finale clocked in at over 9 million.

This year’s Mad Men premier last June was its most-watched show to date, at 3.54 million.

Exactly. That’s why I thought I missed something in that scene. Have none of those people seen The Road Warrior? Eating cat food doesn’t mean you aren’t cool.

-Tom

I thought Carl had opened the can … at least partially. So it wasn’t going to keep.

I think the second season will be more fondly viewed by most in retrospect. Very enjoyable first episode to the third!

I brought up the ketchup because it looks like Glen and Maggie were eating them in the background, it’s some type of condiment packet anyways. If I was reduced to eating ketchup packets I wouldn’t think twice about eating the cat food, or at least preserving it for the future.


Ah. Dog food. Champion Pebbles for the win!

Have none of those people seen The Road Warrior? Eating cat food doesn’t mean you aren’t cool.

Yeah, Ratanski wouldn’t have passed up cat food.Rakansti. Ratakinsksi. Whatever.

Rockatansky

“What?!? Champion Pebbles? My son ain’t eating that! It may be the Zombie Apocalypse but I still have my standards - Dinki Di or nuthin’.”

Don’t think I don’t know what you’re doing, Miss Yellow!

-Tom

About the food situation, what gets me is the lack of it everywhere. If the ZA spread as quick (say under 1 year after the initial outbreak), and a great deal of the living population gone, there would be plenty of canned food around. It’s not like 5 years have passed.

Another thing is that for an entire winter, they really haven’t gotten anywhere location wise.

As for cutting off the leg witrhout a second thought, I can understand that. Being bitten is certain death. If there is even an off chance to curtail the inevitable, why not? So many months seeing death to the undeath, I’m sure they’ve been hardened emotionally to cruelty, pain, and take no prisoner attitude to infection.

I did enjoy the season premiere. It was fresh to see all that action after a very slow season 2.

Yeah, it seemed like an intuitive, “this is our only chance,” so let’s give it a shot.

Walking Dead is also essentially set in George Romero’s zombie apocalypse, at least in terms of following the exact same rules, and characters in Day of the Dead did the same sort of limb chopping for the same reason - if bites eventually make you sick and die, it stands to reason that the sickness emanates from the source of the bite and gradually spreads (since illness and then death takes hours or even days, which has been established), so if you chop off the limp before it infects further up the body, you should be able to stop death from the bite.

Loved the premiere - very action-packed, and it seemed to have as large a budget as the entire last season. One “stupid character” moment though - I just don’t understand how they could rationalize not putting a knife/pole through the head of every “body” they encountered – sure, some were eaten, but they know that everyone is infected and that therefore as long as the brain is intact the body is potentially dangerous (as Hershel found out). Just seems like too stupid a mistake (which didn’t even merit a mention) for characters who are now very accustomed to looting and surviving in this world.

The one concept in World War Z that now bugs me in all zombie stories: Bite Suits. If they aren’t custom made, repurpose some Kevlar from police stations or dead police, and you’re essentially invulnerable.

Now, the characters in Walking Dead at least have access to riot gear. Get with the sewing, already!

You know, it’s a pretty interesting (and timely) question. The US population only has a few days of fresh food on-hand at any given time, and of course that would be gone to pot in a week or two. The preservable food (dried and canned) seems like it would be more plentiful, but believe it or not the stuff that is on the shelves in grocery stores is actually turned-over fairly quickly, as anyone who has ever worked stock at a Krogers can tell you – without resupply, all that food would be consumed by the population in a few days at regular consumption levels.

Yes, you say, but the population isn’t THERE anymore – it’s been almost entirely zombified. So who is eating all this stuff?

Well, that’s where you get to talk about the start of the ZA. Was it incredibly sudden, where the bulk of the population was turned in a day or two, or was it a more gradual thing where the human population dwindled over the course of weeks or months?

If it was the latter, then you have the outbreak of zombism shutting down supplies and food shipments in the first few days and then the (large) population of cities and towns burning through their canned goods in a couple days, then raiding their (now zombified) neighbors’ places for supplies and emptying the population centers of food in weeks before they too become zombie-chow.

But even if the ZA wiped out 90% of the population in a couple days or a week, you still don’t have a free ride with the food. That 10% of the population would still eat through the available canned goods; it would simply take them ten times as long – a year instead of a few weeks.

Those ex-gang fellows in Atlanta are picking the inner city clean quickly to feed those geriatrics. The group of 20 to 30 rapist lowlives that we sort of saw in Season 2 are harvesting the small towns and country homes to feed themselves. There are people like Hershel’s clan that are sending guys like Otis out to hunt and scavenge. There is the unseen lone survivor whose nest was uncovered by Daryl in the abandoned house last season. We’ve only seen the above examples, but it’s safe to assume that they are not the only ones operating in the area.

One thing is certain: I’ve spent much too much time thinking about this for a supposedly “sane” adult white male.

I’m with you here. The implication was that the huge “herds” are so dense that the group cannot even drive through them to leave the area.

I didn’t mind this one bit, given the context. They are in a dark and gloomy cellblock, turned around and confused despite their seemingly-sensible precautions. They are being chased by at least two groups of very ambulatory undead whose location is unknown. Herschel in particular is anxious to find his daughter and is aware that when the next humanoid steps out from around the next dark corner he has to make a split-second choice as to whether to shoot a zombie or NOT shoot a friend. Worse, he is actively calling out for his daughter, and he knows that this is attracting zombies.

Under those circumstances, I think it is forgivable that he ignored yet another corpse on the ground (and remember, they had seen dozens in the hallway up to this point) to keep his eyes up and focused on the upcoming corner or door.

In other words, I don’t think it was bad writing – it was an “earned” mistake.