hepcat
2701
I’m thinking of writing fan fiction for the show. Unfortunately, each story I think up seems to end with Lori walking directly into a hail of bullets for some reason.
Reldan
2702
It worked out! If everybody was smart Herschel would have died, so thank goodness they have a Lori!
I soooo thought the CPR scene was going to go badly.
So far the 2 episodes of this season have made up for the millions of days they spent of the farm last season.
hepcat
2704
Amen. I’m glad they decided Dylan was right and that they weren’t going to work on Maggie’s farm no more.
But Herschel did die for a moment which was just enough time to transform him into part walker. He has all their strengths and none of their weaknesses. Now he can walk among them freely and rip them apart with his bare hands while sporting his badass new pegleg.
Don’t make him dead. You wouldn’t like him when he’s dead.
I’m not sure I like this accelerated timeline for Carl’s, for want of a better word, hardening. I realise we’re three seasons into the show, but it hasn’t been that many episodes and at this stage in the comics it’s barely started. In the show it’s being presented almost as a fait accompli this season, perhaps for shock effect, whereas in the book it’s more of a drawn out process as Rick struggles to preserve as much of his pre-fall humanity as possible for Carl’s sake, while doing what’s necessary to keep him alive (cf The Road).
All that said, two great episodes so far this season.
DrDel
2710
Maybe the writers have a plan for Carl that diverges from the comics and this is the prelude.
DrDel
2711
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Who is Michone going to mate withÉ The big prison dude is killed.
CSL
2712
I think they actually established that it takes a few hours for dead humans to reanimate. During the episode “Wildfire” Andrea’s sister Amy doesn’t reanimate until the morning after the night time attack. Carol’s husband Ed also didn’t reanimate before they laid out the bodies for burial that morning. Notably the only exception we’ve seen so far is zombie Shane. I think they merely made him turn immediately to allow Carl to shoot him since it’s one of the very few things they’ve kept intact from the comics.
They should have scrounged up a bag valve mask though - just in case.
Spoilers maybe
[spoiler]Good episode. I loved Rick, it was becoming apparent that having those prisoners next door was just trouble waiting to happen. I was waiting for the old trope of killing them would make us no better than our enemy and dragging out this danger next door for the whole season…then machete time.
That Lori and Rick scene was cold, for a split second you think all will be forgiven then he says “everyone wants to thank you” and walks away. Glad you saved Hershel, now I am going to leave you here and go be with my friends!
In all, it boils down to this season actually doing something each episode, rather than that horrible farm of nothingness, hope this continues.
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It seems ok to me, the opener suggests they have been fighting zombies for months. Also I think part of Carl’s growing up quickly has a lot to do with him wanting to be seen as older. He has a huge crush on the blonde haired gal, part of the reason he is so pissed off when his mother berates him in front of her. I think he’s doing to post apocalyptic thing of trying to impress her…in this world that means I can kill zombies and provide for you.
DrDel
2715
For at least 6 - 7 years (maybe longer?) there has been no use for mouth to mouth resuscitation during CPR.
Chest compressions alone is thought to be as effective (if not more so).
DrDel
2716
Seed and Soil Theory: The Rational Act of Amputating a Bitten Limb in a Zombie Apocalypse
A few posts back peeps were criticizing last week’s episode where Rick hastily decided to saw off H’s leg after he was bitten by a zombie. I think it was a smart move and I would probably do the same thing.
Personally, I think cancer and its spread is a more effective analogy with respect to the ZA spread of zombification over a viral outbreak. Unfortunately, infections are more dramatic than cancer so the viral outbreak mantra of zombification is a much more attractive model for writers to adopt.
No one fully understands how or why cancers spread in the body. One theory (which is a pretty good one) is the “seed and soil” theory. You need a seed and soil for the cancer to grow.
An application of the seed and soil theory with respect to lung cancer will be applied. Some patients have lung cancer and their metastases never develop. Some patients have metastases, get chemo, go into remission and are indolent for 5 years onward. But then, after 5 years of no chemo they end up getting a metastatic recurrence. Why is that? No one knows. The thought is cancers mutate over time and there is a seed/soil element explaining the spread of cancer even after 5 years of inactivity. In order for a cancer to metastasize it needs to have adequate “soil” to flourish. So a lung cancer cell must leave the lung, travel through the bloodstream and “set up shop” in an adrenal gland which is a common place for lung cancer metastases. Interestingly, there are organs that aren’t as susceptible to lung cancer which emphasizes the importance in the “soil” theory. Similarly, the cancer must be able to metastasize and travel through blood, lymphatics, etc (the “seed”). Cancers that exist in the body for a long enough time period can mutate genetically which also modifies their behaviour (different variations of the “seed”).
Some cancers are good seeds some aren’t, some recipients make good soil, some don’t.
Applying this theory to being bitten by a zombie is logical and practical… but, again, it is just a theory. H probably has a few zombie cells still floating around in his blood. There may not be enough “load”. Furthermore, the zombie cells (“seeds”) may not be not prone to set up shop in H’s body compared to other recipients or other variations of the ZA infection. Finally, “soil” (H’s brain in this case) is not doing enough to accept these ZA cells. Eventually, the zombie cells from the bite will leave his bloodstream if there is no “soil” ready to receive them.
All the more reason to chop off his leg. It decreases the “load” of the zombie bite entering his bloodstream. The sooner you cut down the load the better H’s chances.
Just one theory.
Ok… back to work…
My interpretation of that sequence was that Rick had not made up his mind as to what to do until the leader of the prisoners had two separate “accidents” that were clearly aimed at Rick. That made it an easy choice.
It seems ok to me, the opener suggests they have been fighting zombies for months. Also I think part of Carl’s growing up quickly has a lot to do with him wanting to be seen as older. He has a huge crush on the blonde haired gal, part of the reason he is so pissed off when his mother berates him in front of her. I think he’s doing to post apocalyptic thing of trying to impress her…in this world that means I can kill zombies and provide for you.
Oh, sure, I’m not saying it isn’t plausible. It’s just a dynamic I really like in the book - Rick clinging on to the past as much as he can (to the point of insanity in some cases) while Carl becomes more and more apocalypse-hardened before his eyes. It would be a shame if they rushed that, is all. But as DrDel says, at this point the divergences are such that they could be going in a completely different direction with the character.
hepcat
2719
Was he the only man on the show? I must have missed that reveal.
Loving the more action oriented episodes so far, and it looks like the trend will continue from the upcoming scenes trailer. I did kind of wonder though why after either losing or killing off 3 of 5 prisoners leaving only the two seemingly least dangerous and most pliable ones, they still abandoned them. Granted you wouldn’t want to just accept them as full group members right away, there should be some probationary timeframe, but it seemed like both of them would be somewhat useful (the older guy perhaps less so) and at this point they can use all the help they can get, especially if they’re serious about settling down and growing crops and making the prison a home.
On the other hand, perhaps segmenting them off in their own little cell block is the best form of probation. If they behave over there, and things go well, they could be accepted into the group as time went on, especially if they proved resourceful enough to come up with something the main group wanted or needed.
