Walking Dead on AMC

Stepsongrapes · 2012-11-12T10:36:53.000Z

Charlatan:

I know this is a reach, but a couple of things:

Rick finds a bullet. I’m assuming it was fired by Carl. But it was supposed to be inside mommy’s head… but he found it. So… did Carl really shoot Lori?

Lori’s body - not there. Yeah, it looks like it’s inside the bloated body, but all of it? We’ve already had many people say it sort of strains things to think that a zombie (or a bunch of them even) could consume an entire body, bones and all.

One thing I’ve learned from watching TV is that if you don’t see their body, they may not be dead.

Is it possible that Lori is still alive in some form (which I assume would be zombie form given the birth/c-section)? Or is that a bridge too far?

Shane double-zombied and is back. He and zombie Lori have formed an unholy marriage and will lay siege to the prison. Rick will put a giant blade in front of a car and drive around mowing down zombies while weilding a shotgun.

Wait a minute! I think I might have seen this before. . .

Coca_Cola_Zero · 2012-11-12T10:43:28.000Z

Yeah the three graves thing was kind of odd. I can totally get placing three “headstones”, but at the time they set up those graves the only remains they had were T-Dogs. Rick hadn’t yet found eaten-Lori, Carol is probably still alive, digging a whole grave just to bury her headwrap seems like a waste of energy which is kind of a big deal in a post-apocalyptic hellscape without 24 hour grocery stores.

I think Lori was shot by Carl and then eaten and other theories are just over-thinking things. The phone thing at the end was very Lost-y, at least for someone (like me) who hasn’t read the comics. But based on reading up on the comics (comic-plot related spoiler below)…

comic_spoiler

…I guess the ringing phones are taken from there, and they end up just being a figment of Rick’s imagination? Bleh, I kind of hate this… might be okay in a comic, but feels stupid in a tv show.

DrDel · 2012-11-12T13:17:44.000Z

Lamalo:

There’s no way an entire person, even minus a baby, can fit inside a single zombie. That strains the limits of credulity.

There could have been 3 or 4 zombies who ate Lori… the others have walked away.

DrDel · 2012-11-12T13:20:30.000Z

Papageno:

So they found Carol’s body/Zombie Carol? I thought we were still unsure of what happened to her?

Seeing that a lot of scenes are shot and not included in the final product I suspect a scene had been shot explaining what happened to Carol but wasn’t included in last nights episode as the most likely explanation. (Poor post-production – no one is perfect).

Either way I think Carol is still alive.

DrDel · 2012-11-12T13:23:07.000Z

Please include spoiler tags for anwers

I read the comics a year ago… was the zombie thunder dome in the comics??? I dont recall that
who is on the other end of the phone in the comics? I also dont remember a phone call in the prison

what happened to Andy? (Andy = the prisoner Rick chased into the yard who was supposed to be eaten by zombies)… there is a reference that he died in last night’s episode – was that confirmed or did I hear wrong?

Alan_Dunkin · 2012-11-12T13:50:16.000Z

the hell? Did you not actually see last week’s episode?

— Alan

Coca_Cola_Zero · 2012-11-12T13:52:05.000Z

#2 is partly covered in my existing spoiler above.

comic spoiler

In the comic, from what I’ve read online (I never read the comic) the phone calls are all in Rick’s imagination, and the caller is usually (but not always?) post-death Lori

DrDel · 2012-11-12T14:37:17.000Z

Coca Cola Zero,

yes. I remember now. Thanks for reminding me

I think I did watch a different episode than you guys yesterday. Kids were sleeping so I had the volume on super-low… I guess I missed a lot of dialog.

DrDel · 2012-11-12T14:38:18.000Z

is the zombie thunder dome in the comics?

wtf happened to Andy? did they kill him last night?

I don’t have the time to go back and rewatch the ep… too many diapers to change and dishes to wash

IGJoe · 2012-11-12T14:45:49.000Z

Andrew (the prisoner Rick chased and locked out with the zombies in episode 2) was killed at the end of Episode 4 by Oscar with Rick’s gun while Andrew and Rick were fighting.

He was the one seen at the start of the episode opening the gate and luring the zombies in to the prison. Sounds like you missed something there.

robsam · 2012-11-12T15:19:51.000Z

Andy was the catalyst for the events in Episode 4, last night was Episode 5, hence Alan’s reaction.

garin · 2012-11-12T15:53:08.000Z

DrDel:

is the zombie thunder dome in the comics?

Yes, it is.

JFrazer · 2012-11-12T19:24:59.000Z

DrDel:

Seeing that a lot of scenes are shot and not included in the final product I suspect a scene had been shot explaining what happened to Carol but wasn’t included in last nights episode as the most likely explanation. (Poor post-production – no one is perfect).

Either way I think Carol is still alive.

I suspect so too. The flower that Darryl placed on the “grave” was the same type from season 2 when they were looking for Sophia. I don’t remember the whole story, but the flower represents the hope of a lost loved one returning (or something like that).

It is kinda odd that they dug a grave for her, filled it back in, and then put the “hope she’s coming back” flower on it. Wondering if, as you said, something was in the original script that ended up on the floor explaining it further. Like a mutilated corpse with her headband laying on it or something. One of those “it implies she is dead but doesn’t confirm/deny it”.

DrDel · 2012-11-12T20:00:37.000Z

JFrazer:

Like a mutilated corpse with her headband laying on it or something. One of those “it implies she is dead but doesn’t confirm/deny it”.

If you watch the Talking Dead followup talk show after last nights episode on AMC they do make reference to someone finding Carol’s headband. Again… the volume was so low that I didn’t catch the entire reference.

Last week’s Talking Dead show had an exec producer on it – she stated ambiguity when asked if Carol was alive.

Last night’s Talking Dead show seems to imply that Carol was presumed (or maybe confirmed) dead because they found her headband. The director of last night’s episode was on.

Who knows…

MrPerson · 2012-11-12T23:33:54.000Z

THEN WHO WAS PHONE!?

I guess the group decided Sophia used up her family’s allocations of search time, because deciding Carol was dead on the basis of finding her hat seemed a little lazy. And by a little lazy, I mean “So, Poochie okay with everybody?”

That mad scramble for formula was an amusing, small example of the group’s inability to plan ahead. No one thought over the past several months it might be a good idea to keep an eye out for some, since any number of things could occur that would make it valuable to have on hand even without Lori (at long last) dead?

I love that they are finally taking steps to secure and improve their environment, or at least talking about it. The total lack of effort to fortify the farm in Season 2 was galling.

Overall, Season 3 is shaping up to be quite a lot more enjoyable than 2, with more zombies and less raging misogyny.

Angrycoder · 2012-11-13T00:03:07.000Z

MrPerson:

That mad scramble for formula was an amusing, small example of the group’s inability to plan ahead. No one thought over the past several months it might be a good idea to keep an eye out for some, since any number of things could occur that would make it valuable to have on hand even without Lori (at long last) dead?

Maggie explicitly stated that Lori had her keeping an eye for formula the past few months. Which is why she knew the piggly wiggly was already cleaned out.

MrPerson · 2012-11-13T00:04:15.000Z

Angrycoder:

Maggie explicitly stated that Lori had her keeping an eye for formula the past few months. Which is why she knew the piggly wiggly was already cleaned out.

And yet they retrieve some in about an hour of deciding they need it. If you want to shift the blame from lazy planning to lazy writing, then OK.

MrPerson · 2012-11-13T00:13:52.000Z

A small point I like, which I didn’t catch the first time I was watching, is that Michonne doesn’t just use her zombies as camo, but also as pack beasts.

Angrycoder · 2012-11-13T00:21:12.000Z

MrPerson:

And yet they retrieve some in about an hour of deciding they need it. If you want to shift the blame from lazy planning to lazy writing, then OK.

A few days prior they were ready to eat dog food. They then found the prison and have been busy with other things.

Tin_Wisdom · 2012-11-13T12:13:55.000Z

Well this season doesn’t stop with the “grim” does it?

I was more than a little confused with the scene between Rick and the fat walker in the machinery room. Rick finds a pool of blood and a bullet on the floor, but no body. To me that meant that Carl didn’t have the stones to actually put that bullet in his mom’s head, but simply fired for Maggie’s benefit.

So then Rick finds an unmoving corpse nearby at the end of the blood-trail. The zombie is fat and/or pregnant with after-birth and whatnot. At this point, I’m trying to figure out if that zombie is Lori… perhaps not entirely dead. I had to squint and ask if maybe the zombie makeup would have changed Lori’s appearance that much, and why she might have lost so much hair. Rick seems to have a great deal of anguish shooting the zombie… in the neck…

OK, I was on my third beer, and I eventually figured it out but it was just an odd scene. I mean, it had been maybe an hour since Carl and Maggie left the room? I subscribe to the “multiple munchers” school of thought when it comes to how Lori’s corpse was disposed of, but it’s odd that she was completely eaten when so many other corpses we’ve seen simply had their flesh chewed off. And I guess the bullet must have gone all the way through her head and not been eaten?

I liked most of the Woodbury stuff – especially how forthcoming the Governor was when Michonne asked him about keeping zombies around. Along the same lines, I loved Michonne’s look when Meryle opened the gate to let them out and she was sure he’d try and stop them. That was really well done.

But I didn’t care for the zombie wrestling match. It just didn’t fit in with everything else we have seen in Woodbury. It worked in the comics fine, but the Governor is a very different character in the comics… as are the other citizens of comic-Woodbury.