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Bad shots aside, I liked the episode. I just like zombies.

It just got to me that in the begining of the episode, they were planning a defensive posture for an assault by the govenor, and then they are just milling around in the courtyard on a lazy sunday afternoon when Axel gets popped in the head.

If you are on condition red, you don’t go anywhere without a rifle. You are actively scanning your perimeter out to the tree line. A pistol isn’t going to do you any good if you see a breech out that far. Rick at the begining was doing it right. Had a rifle with him. (Small continuity break: When Rick slung the rifle to his back, muzzle was up. When it cut to the scene with him walking down to the graveyard, muzzle was down).

No one sees the tower guy just break into the inner gates and climb a tower?

Rick as well as the bad guys can’t hit crap with a rifle, his rifle jams, and then out come with pistol and makes 3 consecutive head shots instantly.

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In Rick’s defense, he’s trained with a pistol his entire career as a sheriff. Chances are he’s far less accurate with an assault rifle while lying on his back and shooting at a human target in partial concealment/cover some distance away than he is standing with a pistol shooting at a slow moving zombie only yards away.

The guy on the tower was just a needlessly jarring screw up. Forget for a moment how he was actually able to infiltrate the prison to the point where he was in the tower itself, and think “what was his escape plan”? His only means of retreat to rejoin his group was to dash across open ground in the middle of a firefight, he was basically ona suicide mission. His entire presence in the scene was useless, unless it turns out that by dying there some piece of vital imformation will be revealed to the group, perhaps through Merle recognizing the guy and/or finding something of importance on his body.

Overall I liked the episode and still enjoy the show. I just wish they would go back to making it more tense and interesting and less like The A Team with Zombies.

3263

Meh, the second half sure has started out weakly. I think the combat scene at the end of the episode was the worst yet in the series. It was just so inconsistent, dumb and ridiculous all at once.

3264

Michonne: You forgot the spoon! You know where the spoon goes!

3265

I for one thought it started out slow then enjoyed the Daryl/Merle scenes and personally thought the end part was great. The zombie bomb was brilliant. I’m not sure why the hatred…how do you guys enjoy anything then, do you always analyze stuff that much? If they were as accurate as hell we wouldn’t have a show…you know like every other show that has ever been made where the shooting goes a little wonky so all the main characters don’t get knocked off with many seasons to go. It was a test of defenses and a show of strength, he didn’t have enough men to just rush in; it was more a see I can do that to you. The Guv is messed up at this point he’s just playing games.

Kirkman said Tyrese etc…were off somewhere outside the prison on the Talking Dead.

Yes good TV does always make sloppy mistakes you just seem to be focused on every detail in this particular show.

Nothing like Lost…sorry.

3266

I liked the most recent episode. It had gun fights, zombies and action… that is pretty much everything most fans of the series are probably looking for in a prime time zombie show.

If you are looking for Shakespeare head to the theater.

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I’m not looking for Shakespeare, but that firefight was positively A Team in its level of wackiness. Hell, it should have been B.A. Barackus’s van that the zombies were dumped out of. The Guv pulling his Rambo one-armed shoot in the air move was the cherry on top.

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The Governor doesn’t know how many people to expect at the prison. Is there an army of 30 holed up in there? They just took down his town and rescued two of their own, for all he knows its practically a military base in there. My impression of the zombie van was that it was being done to “ruin” the prison, not to act as any true weapon. The courtyard was going to be where they grew crops, gives them a safe haven to enjoy the sun, and he essentially took that away from them in the near term. And the gunfight itself was retaliation and a way to say “we took loses, but we’re still able to hurt you back”.

Maybe I’m reading too much into it.

3269

To me it sure looked like our heroes managed to take down all the truck walkers in fairly short order (although Rick would have been zombie fodder if not for the Darryl ex machina), or am I wrong about that?

3270

I rather liked this episode. I’m not sure why some of you are watching, since you seem predisposed to hate it no matter what happens. Why not do something else with your time?

For the most part, the only bit of bad aiming that bothered me was how long it took to take down the guy in the tower. He was the only one who was relatively close and exposed. I can accept that almost everyone on both sides is an iffy shot because they’ve been shooting stupid, slow zombies that don’t make use of cover, at shooting those at close ranges. Firing bursts (which both sides were doing) is strictly for suppression only - anything beyond the first round is going to be far, far off target. Except for in games, but games don’t simulate either the effects of recoil or the true difficulty of shooting at any distance.

If you want to bitch about something, let’s talk about Maggie’s weird anger at Glenn. That makes no sense to me. “I let the Governor nearly rape me because I cared so much about you, and threatened to hurt you. Now fuck off, I hate you.”

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oh come on can we stop the over-exaggerated comparisons.lol. Zombie bomb = Awesome!!! Unlike the A team the people involved in this firefight for the most part had no real training for such a thing. After everyone has been involved in at least one zombie apocalypse and lost loved ones and gone through hell then I would love to hear comments on what is correct or not correct about the show ;-)

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They were talking about that on Talking Dead after the show briefly…forget exactly what they said though. Something about how Glen was making the whole thing about himself and not about Maggie. Thinking he was to worked up and questioning about what was done to her and not just comforting her. If you think back to the second season she was weird like that too…I just chalk it up to a sensitive female thing.

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So why not start with the zombie bomb, then start shooting while everyone’s focused on the zombies?

3274

Yeah, I think the thing with Glenn is pretty clear. Maggie was brutalized and it would have been wonderful if he were available to comfort her. It would have been nice if he had a kind word for her of any sort. It would have been lovely if he could have taken a break from his dreams of vengeance to be with his beloved.

Unfortunately, he acted as if he didn’t trust her, as if she’d been, oh I don’t know, sullied in his eyes. Perhaps I’m overdramatizing. He did seem to act as if whether she was raped or not was something he needed to know before he could be kind to her. Rape and near-rape survivors tend to be a little sensative about such things.

I found his behavior disgusting, but no less believable for all that. My heart goes out to him; he’s sooooo inexperienced with women, so inexperienced in general–young, in other words, too young to deal wisely with all the shit that’s been thrown his way.

I think that’s kind of a theme with this show. No one is prepared to deal with any of this. And sorry, but the armchair generals criticizing the way these broken people conduct their battles seem to have completely missed the point of this show.

3275

That’s pretty much the only saving grace of the episode, since the show momentarily got back to grounding itself into believability.

I think that’s kind of a theme with this show. No one is prepared to deal with any of this. And sorry, but the armchair generals criticizing the way these broken people conduct their battles seem to have completely missed the point of this show.

Ahhh yes, those damn armchair generals pointing out terrible flaws in the execution and setup of 10-minute scenes that cap off an episode.

3276

You’re right. It totally sucks. I’d just quit watching it if I were you, because it’s only going to get worse. This is going to be a combination of season 4 of Buffy, Battlestar Galactica in the camp, and Happy Days after Fonzie jumped the shark all over again ;)

3277

All this second guessing - and here I was just sort of devastated that poor Axel, just when he was thinking he finally might get laid, gets a bullet to the head. Makes room in the revolving cast slot, but damn, brutal.

3278

Yeah then adding to it being used as a human shield by Carol, the one he wanted to nail.lol. As all hell was breaking loose I was sort of stunned and paralyzed for a sec from the Axel thing…which in a way was rather cool like you were part of it. Sure you can find flaws like with anything but I found more coolness out of that whole scene then anything else.

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This kind of goofy logic is used to defend shows that have gone off the rails all the time. Saw it with Lost, saw it with Heroes, saw it with Battlestar Galactica, etc.

If I really were predisposed to hate the show I wouldn’t have happily watched the first two and a half seasons. I even quite liked the second season despite the popular opinion that it moved too slow. The fact that the show was actually quite good in the past is part of the reason I’m pissed that they are phoning it in now, just like my anger for those other three shows was created because of their inability to cash in on their early promise.

If you want to bitch about something, let’s talk about Maggie’s weird anger at Glenn. That makes no sense to me. “I let the Governor nearly rape me because I cared so much about you, and threatened to hurt you. Now fuck off, I hate you.”

I don’t get this at all. She had every right to be mad at Glenn, he’s been acting like a little bitch the past couple of episodes.

3280

Perhaps I’m coming from the comic book angle, and the TV series is not going off the rails in comparison to that. Honestly, the comic book has a lot more absolutely tedious character development while simultaneously having a lot more one-dimensional cardboard characters. I pretty much won’t know how they compare after this season because I stopped reading the comic book after the third (?) collection. It simply wasn’t that good. I just don’t see this as having gone off the rails.