Pace yourself, sport. The internet is full of people who don’t like stuff you like.
;-)
-Tom
robsam
3382
It’s also full of people that don’t like you and your condescending jackass comments when you go into full on swagger mode. You are being a jerk in this thread. I have no idea why, nothing posted deserved the snark you have dished out. What the hell, Tom??
MikeJ
3383
Shows strike me as contrived when they rely on a sequence of highly unlikely events to advance the plot. There’s certainly a lot of contrived stuff in this show, but running into Morgan in the place he was last seen doesn’t even make it onto the list. Rick has a reasonable reason to go there. Wouldn’t it be more contrived that they keep complaining about lack of ammunition but have a magically unlimited supply whenever they really need it? Calling him ‘teh evil governor’ doesn’t make this less of a realistic constraint. I also don’t find it a stretch at all that Morgan might survive or that he had been driven a little nuts from guilt, grief and loneliness. I think there’s even a sense of inevitability about how his inability to dispatch his wife ended up costing his son’s life. I understand it ruined a small detail you liked about the show, but that doesn’t make it fantastically unlikely.
I agree that the tie-in to Rick’s madness is convenient, that the whole scene with Morgan waking up just seemed badly done. If we want total realism, though, probably the whole cast would have starved to death over the winter after getting run off Hershel’s farm.
Whoa, ace, calm down! I agree with that in case you missed my point - it’s just that not all contrary opinions are well-considered. They are of little value. Our points are not mutually exclusive.
Full on swagger mode! That’s hardcore. I didn’t realize I had a switch for that. Whatever mode I’ve activated, I hope I’m allowed to drop in and post my opinion on a show that I enjoy keeping up with, even if I don’t always like it. Isn’t that part of the watercooler talk? The guy who doesn’t like it? Or do you guys just want to stand around and coo about how awesome it is all the time?
Because if I’m allowed to do that, I hope I’m also allowed to clarify when someone thinks I’m nitpicking about where Rick used to live. I honestly couldn’t care less about that, so I was mystified why HEX felt the need to explain it to me.
-Tom
Hey, you said “badly done”! That’s got to be worth at least half-power swagger mode! How dare you!
Look, “contrived” isn’t that harsh a complaint, and on the list of complaints, it’s pretty far down the list of stuff I could have imagined would set off guys in this thread. But it’s also a false choice to say it’s either “contrived” or “total realism”. Bringing Morgan back smacks of a) fan service and b) a creatively obvious and unimaginative choice on the part of the writer. This is especially disappointing from the show that put Sophie in a barn and killed Lori, both of which were also arguably contrived, but excellent examples of storytelling and high drama.
But this latest episode is just one of the accumulating examples of how Walking Dead isn’t the cool zombie survival drama I sometimes get, and it’s instead another successful show flailing around trying different things to keep its success going. I’m tickled pink that Walking Dead is doing as well as it is, but that’s probably going to mean it’s only rarely going to be the show that I want to watch.
-Tom
nogwart
3387
I liked the last episode!
… can we… end … drama… please…
:) :) :) :)
corsair
3388
I liked the last episode, but not all parts of it. Others liked the parts I didn’t and didn’t like the parts I did. That’s the way of things. The drama will end when the next episode plays and we all discuss that one, instead!
JFrazer
3389
I think the big mistake the show is making is not growing the group. The show did a great job of showing that no character was immune to the axe. Now, however, the core crew is so small that they can’t afford to take out any more “regulars”. So what we have is the occassional new members (prisoners) who are killed off now and then to try to show that group members are still killed.
If they wanted to completely throw me off guard again, they would have been growing the group over the last several episodes, and have the Governor’s sniper kill someone like Maggy. First off, unexpected. Second off, imagine the character evolution they could have with Glenn after seeing his ZA love interest killed right in front of him. If he got homocidal after Maggy was mind-raped, he would just go ape-shit if she was killed.
You’ve got to figure that Hershel’s blonde daughter who is so inconsequential that I don’t remember her name despite having read the comics is likely up for some good random killing. Plus when Tyreese and his group joins up they’ll all be grist for the mill.
My guess is that there will be a strong comic parallel with her and the baby when the Woodbury arc ends at the end of the season.
That is all just speculation, though.
Noooo! Who will sing for them? I really like that actress, by the way.
-Tom
The shows big mistake is that they pull every punch that the story offered. It’s okay that the story is different than the comic, but they take all the best scenes from the book and neuter them. Add that with terrible acting (watching Rick and Carl try to show grief over Lori is painful) and you have the makings for a truly terrible show.
Well, if someone is screaming like that in the middle of the road, when you pick them up, what do you expect to do with them? He will probably beg to stay with them. Plus, he was a single male on the street. Not really the same as seeing a mother with her crying baby surrounded by zombies.
I think the facts speak for themselves towards how bright he was. Because when they came back several hours later, he was already dead. Sure, he might have died whether or not he was yelling or not but I’m sure that it didn’t help…
I don’t know what I would have done… Probably scream. He’s pretty much screwed no matter what he does unless someone really well stocked and philanthropic comes around.
I’m still mystified. Just what behavior is everyone expecting when life depends on getting a ride through a dangerous zone?
I think the facts speak for themselves towards how bright he was.
I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. We don’t know why he was alone, or why he was so desperate he was walking through open country…maybe if Rick stopped and asked. It just seems like you are grasping at straws to justify Rick’s actions.
I don’t know what I would have done… Probably scream. He’s pretty much screwed no matter what he does unless someone really well stocked and philanthropic comes around.
I think the facts speak for themselves towards how bright he was. He’s dumb for yelling, and you’d do the same? You do see the problem there? ;-)
DrDel
3396
Prediction (not a spoiler): Tyreese and crew will join Rick’s group after they realize the Gubinator is evil
He gets like that about once a month.
Anyway, I thought the last episode was very good, easily the best one in season 3. Maybe this Scott Gimple guy knows what he is doing, here’s hoping.
Point taken on those being two separate things. But I think you are minimizing the effect the external world has on what people do. Rick is living in a post apocalyptic world with two children to look after, one of whom is an infant. Even putting aside the threat from zombies and the Governor, he’s dealing with an extreme situation here. A food and water supply, suitable for raising children, is by itself not a given.
That being the case, I think a person in Rick’s position is kidding himself if he thinks he can continue being the same guy he was in the pre-apocalyptic world. My contention is those internal strictures only have meaning or relevance if the world you live in allows them to be meaningful. The show, intentionally or not, illustrates this perfectly with the prisoner/hitchhiker situations. Rick made a decision on the prisoners that was informed solely by his internal(now obsolete) strictures and it cost his wife her life. He made a hitchhiker decision that was a no-brainer if he acknowledges the nature of the world he’s currently living in. Whereas the prisoner decision cost lives, the hitchhiker decision was harmless to him and the people under his care and that’s the most important thing now.
I really can’t say this show had jumped the shark. It’s more like the jet-ski has sputtered out in the middle of the shark tank and there are sharp teeth nipping at our heels and we’re crying “Help! I need some velocity, I need some direction!” But the sharks keep on coming and we watch as all we loved is consumed in entropy and we resign ourselves to our fate of a tedious and inevitable outcome.
Kyle700
3400
That was a really boring episode. It’s got to be one of the worst yet. It’s almost like they got absolutely nowhere new…
