4121

As much as I detested those two, that was a great episode. Nice to see the show back to not pulling punches.

4122

Nice touch with The Ink Spots for the intro. I wonder if Whitta had anything to do with that.

4123

That was harsh. Great episode though. I’m a little fuzzy about what happened to the baby though… When they were walking away from the house, they weren’t holding her? Was she in a bag? Lizzie didn’t kill her…

4124

Tyresse had her bundled in back

4125

Warning: Spoilery

Ditto. Wasn’t really looking forward to a Carol/Ty/Kids episode, but got sucker punched by it.

Once they started hinting at an “Of Mice and Men” ending (a vibe I was getting well before Lizzie killed her sister, at first I thought they might have Mika do the deed, but I guess the way they did it ties up the whole branch of their story nicely and makes Carol even more tragic) I was like “ooooh shit, are they really going to do this?” And they did.

Pretty amazing episode, one of the best the show has ever had.

I’m a bit wary about the overall season pacing, with only two episodes left and nobody yet at “Terminus” it seems like the end of the season will be kinda smashed together and more annoying cliffhanger than resolution but as a stand alone episode this was great.

4126

Warning: Spoilery

Ditto. Wasn’t really looking forward to a Carol/Ty/Kids episode, but got sucker punched by it.

Once they started hinting at an “Of Mice and Men” ending (a vibe I was getting well before Lizzie killed her sister, at first I thought they might have Mika do the deed, but I guess the way they did it ties up the whole branch of their story nicely and makes Carol even more tragic) I was like “ooooh shit, are they really going to do this?” And they did.

Pretty amazing episode, one of the best the show has ever had.

I’m a bit wary about the overall season pacing, with only two episodes left and nobody yet at “Terminus” it seems like the end of the season will be kinda smashed together and more annoying cliffhanger than resolution but as a stand alone episode this was great.

4127

I liked the episode for the WTFness of it, but I thought it was really poorly directed. What should have been a really macabre episode was instead weirdly maudlin, with sweet music and long pauses and some not very good work with precious kid actors. Which is a shame, since Melissa McBride and Chad Coleman have been really good in the past, and I love their characters.

So I wonder if that fire was supposed to be a metaphor, or if it will figure into something we see later.

Also, that’s a pretty bad-ass knife Carol is toting. She should get a more bad-ass gun to go with it!

-Tom
4128

Powerful episode. Some great direction - loved the opening teaser.

4129

I assumed it was Daryl and Beth’s fire grown larger than they might have expected (the house they lit up certainly wasn’t well cleared of surrounding brush).

4130

Doh! Great call, Coca Cola. I wasn’t even thinking about the episodes being concurrent. I love it when Walking Dead is smarter than me!

-Tom
4131

I also assumed it was Daryl & Beth’s fire, and also went to show how these parties keep just missing each other. I suspect the “cliffhanger” will be everyone reconvening in Terminus.

From a practical point of view, how smart is it to be carrying around an infant in a papoose? Easier on the arms, yes, but how many times have these geniuses been surprised by Walkers coming in from behind them?

4132

Leaves their arms free to fight. Ablative armor to their rear. Best of both worlds.

4133

Not often I think! Usually they want to show us the actor’s point of view so we feel scared too, so monsters come from front so we can see them!

I don’t remember any shots of the actor from the front where the zombie hits them in the back. The actor blocks the zombies and they seem less scary.

4134

4135

I agree, THIS was the zombie apocalypse tv show of my dreams, in one episode. I thought it was note perfect, creepy as you can get and showing pity for no one. For example, we get Carol trying to school the girls on the need to be a badass. Haha, then she finds out what it REALLY takes to be a badass in this world. Tyreese gets his whole world yanked out from under him…again, but it is put to good effect in fleshing out his character. It’s not just to pull heartstrings. That scene about “we should leave, no we’ll leave” was great, since it felt so real to me. If I had to face a situation like that I think that’s how it would play out. Try to kid yourself that there are other options till you can verbalize what you know is the truth.

I really can’t even nitpick any of it. The most I can come up with is being annoyed Carol left the gate open. I get that they aren’t returning, but surely that place might be of use to other people. So she’s being anti-social.

4136

I thought about the fence thing, and since they established during the burned-zombies attack that the wire fence is completely ineffective at keeping zombies out, I didn’t think it was important whether she left the gate open or closed.

I hadn’t realized until this episode what was going on in Lizzie’s head. I thought they were making her out to be another cold psycho, like they did to Carl for a while. That was the vibe I was getting from her almost smothering Judith. Then we find out she sympathizes with the zombies, and that the feeding the zombies thing wasn’t sabotage, it was her doing it for the zombies.

From the moment they got back and found that she had murdered Mika, it was clear they were going to have to kill Lizzie. She was a threat to anyone still alive, and they spelled that out for the slow people in the audience when she mentioned she was going to kill Judith but hadn’t gotten around to it yet.

4137

I kind of saw her pet/friend relationship with zombies as already established, she has never seemed antagonistic towards them. I thought her psychology was more that she transferred her humanitarian feelings towards them, which left her without empathy for living things like people and animals. I felt like her character development in this episode was about how she was finally forced to show that change to other people. They saw that zombie empathy she had as being sort of a sign of being dumb up until that point.

I agree that once she murdered an innocent member of her own group she was doomed. She even pointed the gun at Carol. You just can’t have someone like that wandering around. Of the two options, a bullet to the head or casting her out to the zombies, it’s obvious which is less hideous.

4138

Lizzie was seriously, dangerously, broken. But I’m with the other characters, you know she doesn’t seem to grasp the situation for what it is, but you don’t quite grasp how bad her mental state is until it is too late and you have put all the pieces together. And from there, you understand all the actions that must be taken, as terrible as those might be. It was a great episode - very dark, with some small measure of light trying to shine in, and then pitch black, followed by having to get on with survival, because the only other choice is to pack it in for eternity. Grim, powerful, raw, unrelenting.

4139

I think this show sucks now but I keep watching. This episode was the best one in two seasons.

4140

I really hope that Terminus is not some sort of large Woodbury. I haven’t read the comics, but the last half of this season has been really good, with the group split up and fending for themselves. It has felt more like a zombie Apocalypse scenario now.
I wouldn’t mind some more over arching goals though, like traveling to DC etc