Nobody mentioned this?
Edit: My bad; apparently they did mention it in Talking Dead, which my DVR didn’t get.
hmmm…what characters in other non-action shows would you want to see in an a zombie apocalypse?
omar little of the wire. hell, any of the cops/gangsters from wire cast
Obviously Don Draper, to keep up the AMC angle. Zombie apocalypse or no, he’d surely look dapper.
After having put a bullet in the head of a zombified Bunk, Jimmy McNulty drops to his knees and cries out:
“What the fuck did I doooo?”
bunk chases a fast zombie down, bashes its head in. "What, a brother can’t run with a stick? "
IGJoe
1587
Bubbles is mistaken for a zombie while scavenging and attacked by survivors?
Jaws_au
1588
This thread suddenly got awesome…
Dean
1589
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Unless you’re a medical professional you really can’t tell. You apply pressure to staunch or slow down internal bleeding and you dress the wound to stop external bleeding - then you start running like hell (to the nearest vet).
But it would be a shame for the patient to bleed out from external bleeding, because you mistakenly decided that doing nothing was probably the best cause of action due to imagined internal bleeding. Also bumping a body up and down running while the wound(s) are completely untreated is a great way to make both internal and external bleeding worse.
But first aid makes for bad television and is never shown. Just the “hang in there”, “live Johnny, live goddammit” (followed by two seconds of CPR) and “you tell her yourself!”
I was actually curious about this and found a combat field medic primer online (never knew I could) and applying pressure with a gunshot wound was tops on the list of things to do. I’d always been suspect of this approach, but the more I look the more it seems like the proper thing to do. I just wish I knew a lick of medicine beyond basic first aid so I could better understand why.
My reasoning was/is that a person’s chest cavity is several inches deep, surrounded by a rib cage. So if you were to put a bandage on that gunshot and even press down, how does that help a nicked artery or internal organ in the chest? You’d have to compress their chest so hard that they couldn’t breathe to even have a hope of affecting the internal damage.
It’s not like dealing with a gunshot to the arm, where there are no internal organs to damage and most of the bleeding will be close to the surface and not protected by any bone structure.
But if that’s the thing to do, then if I was there that kid would be in trouble.
A lot of the rules of first aid is also there to make sure that untrained personnel doesn’t reason like you and make bad calls they aren’t qualified to make. The same way that an EMT must treat what they are sure are already dead people - they can only stop treatment if a doctor tells them to and they can only decide not to treat if there’s clear purification, decapitation, extensive burning, evisceration or rigor mortis.
…and we can possibly add zombiefication to that list.
Lamalo
1594
EMTs are also known to continue treatment on the deaders long past any hope to help train their newbies. I’ve seen that happen. Excepting the dead person, that was pretty amusing.
jeffd
1595
When I got my CPR training I was instructed that once I began CPR I was not to stop unless a more qualified emergency responder or a doctor or something told me to.
The thing is, all those methods and instructions make sense in an organized world where more qualified people will be available shortly.
In the situation we see in the show, I’m sure Rick and Shane were both thinking the same thing as soon as they realized the boy was shot- he’s as good as dead. That explains Rick being so freaked out. It’s not a situation where you simply stop the outer wound from bleeding and then the kid heals and all is well. There are going to be issues with internal bleeding, organ damage, infection, a bullet moving around in there doing who knows what more damage. The external bullet hole is the least of his problems.
Only Otis wasn’t so upset since he knew they had at least a half-assed doctor nearby, where maybe something could be done.
That’s why in that situation if you apply pressure, so what? There are no ambulances, hospitals, doctors, paramedics or anything else coming to help. Even if you stopped the bleeding the kid still has a bullet in his chest.
Now, once Otis tells you about the doctor nearby, then you do what you think you need to in order to get the kid from here to there alive. Maybe that involves a compression bandage, maybe that involves picking him up and running there as fast as you can, or all of the above.
What they did was still more likely to worsen the situation. I was trained in wartime and disaster first aid, and the basics doesn’t change, just because resources are strained*. The chances of survival will be lowered overall, because first aid is only the start and you need proper treatment after that. But doing nothing will never be the better choice.
Of course there’s also the need to get out of harms way. Perhaps running beats being busy giving first aid, when walkers show up.
*what changes is triage. The decision to only treat those that can be saved and let those too far gone die. It’s already done by doctors at disasters and big accidents. In wartime or mega disasters that decision would just be made by people lower in the hierachy with lesser training (like a guy like me with only EMT training). But how you treat those, you decide to try and save, stays the same.
But that isn’t relevant here, just a little aside.
First good episode since the pilot.
GodDAMN, that was dark.
That said, I find Jon Bernthal to be a pretty lousy actor. His style is all about puppy-dog eyes, a slack jaw and a bad accent. And what was with Daryl getting all emo about whether Andrea wants to live or die?
Pogo
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I didn’t mind either of them. Bernthal overplays it a bit but I don’t think he’s lousy. I’m surprised that he actually exceeded the standard he set for Shane’s confused/nervous/guilty/angry facial expression from earlier in the series. It must have been tough to get Shane to look even more upset than he usually does. All in all I think it was a good move by the writers, but it’s the type of move that only gives us something to judge Shane’s character since nobody else will ever know about it.
It’s still too easy not to give a shit about Carl. I was hoping that he took that last breath so we could move on past this Family Ties bullshit and let the show concentrate on more interesting people. I’m glad that it looks like they’re taking the direction with Glen that I think they are.
Daryl is fine. He hasn’t had that much screen time that showed anything beyond his pragmatic side. In a way he’s still that character, but we’re getting a little more of a view past one dimension, and I think that’s a good thing.
