Walking Dead on AMC

[Telefrog]

Yeah but that’s in this world. In a location like that, in a zombie apocalypse, there are other priorities. You need to be able to move freely. You need that arrow(it looked like his last). Unless you can make it back to the farmhouse, doing the right thing by your wound is pointless. From the start it looked like it was affecting his ability to move, it wasn’t just a case of having something sticking out of you.

The lifesaver first aid you get in the military includes the same basic “don’t remove anything sticking into the body unless you’re a doctor” bit.

[jerri_blank]

Says the guy with a barn full of undead.

Hey, Hershel’s survival skills are impeccable if he can maintain a zombie petting zoo and not have any of his people end up as the main course. In fact, it appears that it’s Rick and his group that will screw that up.

The penetrating object could be tamponading (holding back) a bleed, by removing it you can “bleed out”.

But in Hollywood land it’s always the right thing to do.

In reality if you have a large foreign body in you do not remove it (please exclude all sexual references).

Dude, first let me thank you for teaching me the verb form of “tampon.” Second, didn’t he pull the arrow out because he needed it?

[Stepsongrapes]

Second, didn’t he pull the arrow out because he needed it?

It would have been more cool if he left the bolt (not arrow, right?) in place and used it to skewer the zombie by shimmying into it.

Bonus points for walking home with the zombie (or at least its head) still impaled on the bolt, stuck to his side.

[Gus_Smedstad1]

I think I’m going to stop reading this thread. I really enjoyed this episode, and came here to share that enjoyment, and got a thread full of people continuing to dump on the show. Not everyone is doing it, but it’s enough to make me feel like the thread is a net negative.

[gameoverman]

It would have been more cool if he left the bolt (not arrow, right?) in place and used it to skewer the zombie by shimmying into it.

Bonus points for walking home with the zombie (or at least its head) still impaled on the bolt, stuck to his side.

Oh that would have been EPIC! And Andrea still shoots at him, except she scores a direct hit on the zombie’s head and not his as Rick and the others scream at her to stop firing. And the reason Andrea shoots in the first place is not because she’s gun crazy, it’s because looking through the scope she sees a mutant two headed, four armed and legged BOSS zombie!

[Valentine]

I just thought of something; isn’t a military complex or a prison a safe environment? Short of a massive bank vault (Fort Knox) I think I would want to be in a prison or military base as both are secured from the outside and both have kitchens and weapons.

Or, as was established in the first thirty minutes of the entire show, the police station with the back up generators and hot, running water, and extra guns and ammo.
Or go back to the old folks home, try to help them. They were more or less secure, had man power and guns, god knows they would welcome more, smart enough to survive this long, easy access to the place they themselves were foraging at.
Then again if they were that smart there’s no way they’d let the panicky, clumsy idiots in.

[Stepsongrapes]

Oh that would have been EPIC! And Andrea still shoots at him, except she scores a direct hit on the zombie’s head and not his as Rick and the others scream at her to stop firing. And the reason Andrea shoots in the first place is not because she’s gun crazy, it’s because looking through the scope she sees a mutant two headed, four armed and legged BOSS zombie!

To take it over the top, Darryl needs to be shouting Denzel’s Training Day line as he approaches Rick and Co.: “King Kong ain’t got shit on me!!!”

[Stepsongrapes]

Or, as was established in the first thirty minutes of the entire show, the police station with the back up generators and hot, running water, and extra guns and ammo.
Or go back to the old folks home, try to help them. They were more or less secure, had man power and guns, god knows they would welcome more, smart enough to survive this long, easy access to the place they themselves were foraging at.
Then again if they were that smart there’s no way they’d let the panicky, clumsy idiots in.

Whether they’re clumsy in implementing or not, you can’t fault Rick’s plan: there has to be more than holing up and waiting for the inevitable. The people in that old folks home: just buying time.

Staying put is certainly not 100% the smart thing to do: it all depends on the state of the world. It really is the lost in the woods situation here: staying put is smart, because you know that rescuers are coming for you. Whole world done got blown up? Staying put isn’t doing anything buy treading water.

[jerri_blank]

Right. They have no idea of the extent of the infection - is it just Georgia? The whole country? Are there any safe places? When you don’t know the situation, it’s natural to want to make your way to what you think might be a safe place.

BTW, do the books say how widespread the infection is?

[Shadarr]

Daryl is still awesome, and despite the generally non-zombie-related nature of his whole storyline in this episode he pretty much did everything right. He stabalized the object at first, and only took it out when he needed to shoot a zombie with it.

Andrea, on the other hand, needs to fucking die. Even if it had been a zombie, there were four fucking humans standing around it when she took the shot. Is she an expert marksman all of a sudden? Has she ever even fired that rifle before? It’s kind of amazing she didn’t hit Rick or T-Dog in the back.

I’m kind of with imaginary-Merle now, Daryl should just off everyone and go his merry way. They’re a danger to themselves and others.

[Valentine]

Whether they’re clumsy in implementing or not, you can’t fault Rick’s plan: there has to be more than holing up and waiting for the inevitable. The people in that old folks home: just buying time.

Staying put is certainly not 100% the smart thing to do: it all depends on the state of the world. It really is the lost in the woods situation here: staying put is smart, because you know that rescuers are coming for you. Whole world done got blown up? Staying put isn’t doing anything but treading water.

Changing from a nomadic society to building permanent settlements is what created civilization when there was none and…well that seemed to work out the first time eh?

[Stepsongrapes]

Changing from a nomadic society to building permanent settlements is what created civilization when there was none and…well that seemed to work out the first time eh?

Uh, okay. I didn’t know that the river valleys of civilization were all infested by zombies. You’re right, the situations are 100% analogous.

There’s shit to complain about this show. Having a plan other than holing up is not one of them.

Seriously, why are you still watching this show if you’re so unwilling to be fair on anything?

[Wing_of_ilium]

I’ve gotta admit I don’t have a problem with the motivations at work in this show. I also think the pacing and treatment of time is extremely bold. While it has left me wanting for a bit more action I think that it gives the show an internal integrity that is noticeable and unique. There’s an insistent attention to detail by virtue of the scope of the story being told day by day, and I feel as if the end of the world hasn’t really come about yet to the characters - they’re not quite capable of grieving it yet. So far, most of the stupid things I’ve seen them do has happened because they still feel as if they can imprint a sort of order on the world - things can be dealt with and handled and repaired and hunted down and found. The episodes so far seem to be dealing with the turning of that hope - the backdrop of the lost girl and the passive-aggressive stragglers of humanity they’ve encountered paints a picture of a bunch of people who are stalling their wake-up call.

[Valentine]

Uh, okay. I didn’t know that the river valleys of civilization were all infested by zombies. You’re right, the situations are 100% analogous.
There’s shit to complain about this show. Having a plan other than holing up is not one of them.
Seriously, why are you still watching this show if you’re so unwilling to be fair on anything?

I never SAID it was analogous did I? it’s why I didn’t suggest they find a river valley did I? I suggested a fortified position didn’t I?

The problem is that they don’t have a plan. They blunder along until something happens, lose a person, continue until something else happens. As they are they are flying blind into unknown situations, adding several more unnecessary unknown variables and complications, in a world they know is horribly dangerous.
They have options beside “slather self with barbeque and wait for death” and “drive aimlessly” that they don’t even talk about. It seems like they don’t want to survive unless the place they are surviving has all the comforts of home and that makes me hate them more.

[Wing_of_ilium]

That’s the point Shane is making, though. So far they have allowed themselves to be driven entirely by circumstance. They are literally being jerked around by fate, and all they are doing is reacting.

[Stepsongrapes]

That’s the point Shane is making, though. So far they have allowed themselves to be driven entirely by circumstance. They are literally being jerked around by fate.

That’s a relatively recent thing. The initial plan was CDC, which isn’t at all unreasonable.

It’s now fort whatever, if I recall correctly. If anything, Shane is making the point that they should have moved on days ago, rather than stall for the search (which goes to your point of them still living according to the old rules). The question is, which is right? Go Lord of the Flies or hold on to being “civilized” even if the world isn’t?

[gameoverman]

I wonder if their lack of an overall plan is supposed to be intentional. That is, the characters are deliberately avoiding that, each for his/her own reason.

For instance, Lori may be in no hurry for a group sit down where they hash out their plans once and for all, since she’s hiding information from Rick. Rick’s decisions would certainly be informed by that information, without it he will likely agree to entirely different things.

So it might go for all the others. They may be happy enough just winging it for now. So I guess I agree with the idea that they just haven’t come to grips with their new reality.

[Wing_of_ilium]

That’s a relatively recent thing. The initial plan was CDC, which isn’t at all unreasonable.

It’s now fort whatever, if I recall correctly. If anything, Shane is making the point that they should have moved on days ago, rather than stall for the search (which goes to your point of them still living according to the old rules). The question is, which is right? Go Lord of the Flies or hold on to being “civilized” even if the world isn’t?

Yep, the CDC was reasonable. And the farm they’re camped out at right now is just because of the accidental shooting. I don’t think the kid is ready to move on quite yet, which of course gives a darkness to Shane’s character - he’s actually “been there”. He’s made the choice that no one else had to make, and it has turned him to view the world in a way that the rest of the survivors are incapable of.

I wonder if their lack of an overall plan is supposed to be intentional. That is, the characters are deliberately avoiding that, each for his/her own reason.

For instance, Lori may be in no hurry for a group sit down where they hash out their plans once and for all, since she’s hiding information from Rick. Rick’s decisions would certainly be informed by that information, without it he will likely agree to entirely different things.

So it might go for all the others. They may be happy enough just winging it for now. So I guess I agree with the idea that they just haven’t come to grips with their new reality.

I absolutely think that there’s a sort of conscious passivity to a lot of the survivors, and I think this will feed into the inevitable discussion about authority in the group.

[Hugin]

I dunno, it seems to me you can investigate large portions of the rest of the world with ham radio. I’d pick a good spot, fortify the shit out of it, come up with some emergency escape plans, and work from there. If it’s just Georgia or even just the US, that should be pretty apparent pretty soon even if you stay put for 6 months or a year. If it’s the entire world, there’s no real reason not to pick a spot and make the best go of it you can from there.

The only absolute argument in favor of wandering around is if some second stage bad thing happens locally. A nuclear strike to sterilize the area, a meltdown at a power plant makes the entire region unhealthy to live in, etc. And they really have no way of predicting that.

[Wing_of_ilium]

Well, I’m sure there are some survivors that just stick around. They don’t have a camera crew though.