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[Stepsongrapes]

You can have a drinking game based purely on how many times Dale sticks his noise in people’s business.

Sometimes he’s wrong, sometimes he’s right. It is still crazy-annoying how much that guy provides unsolicited “advice”.

[DrDel]

I didn’t even understand what was going on there. Is Hershel that delusional that he thinks zombies need to fed? Why would the others go along with that and waste livestock?

I thought they made it pretty clear in last night’s episode that the Hershell people are oblivious to what is going on in the world. They seem to think the world is still functioning (somewhat) and that the zombie infestation is potentially reversible. This is despite them knowing what happened at the CDC… they still are hanging on to hope that the world still functions. Rick’s group is the first group (or one of the first) that has warned them about the ZA… they are probably a bit in denial. From their frame of reference I think it is a reasonable state of mind.

Furthermore, remember that HIV scare in the 80s? (Okay, okay, this is a lot more dramatic, but then again it’s TV!). What if we killed all those “homo fags” who got HIV from having “sex with monkeys in Africa” back in the 80s? Today HIV is a treatable (but not curable) illness, no longer a death sentence. Having said that I can understand why Hershell wants to keep his loved ones alive, even if they are zombies. It’s just a disease and like AIDS someone will find a cure.

Not delusional at all. Just human.

[DrDel]

No, Sarah Fucking Tencredi from Prison Break and Cole were not feeding chickens. Lori from The Walking Dead and her son Carl were feeding chickens. Congratulations on having watched Prison Break, but this thread is not about that show.

Lol! Such hostility! Were you somehow abused by the Prison Break writers?

I recently did an IMDB search for Prison Break and I noticed that they released a movie post series finale. Anyone watch it? Any good?

[DrDel]

I totally agree. My first thought was that they’ve got way too much General Hospital and not enough plot (zombie action or otherwise). When Lori (who I can’t wait to become zombie meat) took the “abortion pills” I was thinking “YES! They are finally advancing the plot.” Then she spits them up. And the big “reveal” was that Rick knew that she and Shane got a little sumfin-sumfin together? Give me a break. Hope the show picks up the pace a little cuz the tedious melodrama is getting old.

FYI: As was said in the Talking Dead (quite humorously I might add by the guest director) the writer of that episode is FEMALE.

[DrDel]

You can have a drinking game based purely on how many times Dale sticks his noise in people’s business.

Sometimes he’s wrong, sometimes he’s right. It is still crazy-annoying how much that guy provides unsolicited “advice”.

He is the paternal figure of the group. He’s a dad.

[Martinez]

He is the paternal figure of the group. He’s a dad.

I give him a slight pass because that’s his character. He never had any children (his wife miscarried, and I think he mentioned they never tried again after that), so I think that he thinks this is his chance to be daddy… or yoda, or some wise, sits on the mountain top guru.

What annoys me is that he’s playing dad to a bunch of grown-ups in their late-30, early 40’s, kid’s of their own, etc. He has this air of arrogance that just rubs me the wrong way, but deep inside, I think the writers are doing that on purpose.

If he was in my face giving me “fatherly-advice”, I’d be pretty pissed and really annoyed.

Andrea stood up to him, and was the only time she won brownie points, but I felt she dropped the matter to quickly.

[Telefrog]

Not delusional at all. Just human.

No, I’m pretty sure it’s delusional to think that people that previously died and got up again with a taste for living flesh are going to somehow be “cured” of their affliction when they are clearly rotting. I understand that Hershel’s mind snapped regarding his son and wife, but the other folks are just as nutty for going along with it.

It’s one thing to nod your head and agree with the guy that lost his marbles. It’s another to actually kill livestock to nurture the fantasy of the guy that thinks zombies need to fed.

[Pogo]

Well, it seemed like Otis’ wife was kinda going along with it nervously, or Hershel has managed to convince her of his opinion by using the heavy guilt of Jesus.

And Maggie is obviously torn between deciding if they’re walkers or dead family members, it doesn’t take much to push her over into the “they’re walkers” camp.

[LionelThompson]

I posted this elsewhere, but what would have made the episode (and series) so much better?

Shane and Andrea are escaping the house and shooting their way down the street, have Shane turn to Andrea and say ‘Tell Otis I said hi’ and shoot her in the leg.

[gameoverman]

I thought it was a great episode, possibly the best including the pilot.

I laughed when it started with farm work, considering all the ‘how is the farm work getting done’ talk we’ve just had here.

As to the feeding, I didn’t get the impression food was an issue for Herschel’s group, I did get that impression for Rick’s group.
]So I can see why they’d feel they could do it. And it makes sense that they would, because they still see them as human, if you’re going to go that far why wouldn’t you feed them? The zombies did eat the chickens. These people ARE delusional. They have that luxury, living isolated on that farm, insulated from what has gone down. [/SPOILER

[spoiler]Rick’s group in contrast has seen the destruction, in person, of entire cities.

Shane and Andrea’s foray was specific as I understood it. A house to house was said by Shane to not be necessary. They would ‘work’ their way back, whatever that means. Andrea’s shouting and the noise of their car arriving should explain the company they attracted.

I liked how Dale tried to be smooth and make up reasons for why he knew things. I’m sure he realized no one would buy it, but that’s the kind of effort that makes me like a person. Also he did stand up to Shane even though he knows how dangerous Shane really is.

Compare to Glen, here’s a guy I really don’t like now. I’ll grant that maybe his character is supposed to be clueless around women, and I mean completely clueless. He can’t even understand that if a woman isn’t all smiles about possibly being pregnant, maybe she doesn’t see it as a good thing. Whatever, people are that stupid. But how do you explain his getting nosy and butting in? He makes Dale look standoff-ish in comparison.

Also, Glen has no loyalty to anyone. He spills his guts to anyone who pays any attention to him. He betrays Maggie, which maybe you could excuse as taking his group’s side(personified by Dale) against Herschel’s side(Maggie). But…

He shares Lori’s personal situation with Maggie without a thought, he lets Maggie present the items to Lori and tear into her, then he tells Lori what she should do after telling her he doesn’t want to tell her what she should do. Coming from Glen, this is actually a threat now “tell your husband or you know I will” and since he’s told her secret to Maggie, Lori knows this is no idle threat. Glen is just wrecking people psychologically for no reason at all, not even out of villainy.

At least there’s a method to Shane’s madness. I can hardly wait to see Tdog and Carol’s episode. Carol’s will undoubtedly involve the resolution of the search but who knows what Tdog will get. And really his character has been shortchanged here to the point where I’m starting to feel it’s deliberate. Is the actor not up to the task or something? Cause these people are stuck in a desperate situation and he’s one of the physically stronger people and yet he hasn’t had jack shiat to do. Hmmm…

edit:

I posted this elsewhere, but what would have made the episode (and series) so much better?

Shane and Andrea are escaping the house and shooting their way down the street, have Shane turn to Andrea and say ‘Tell Otis I said hi’ and shoot her in the leg.

Haha, could it be at some future time that Andrea and Shane, making a run for it, have that happen except just as Shane is saying “Tell Otis I sai…” Andrea shoots HIM in the leg? Sith apprentices can’t be trusted after all.

[DrDel]

I give him a slight pass because that’s his character. He never had any children (his wife miscarried, and I think he mentioned they never tried again after that), so I think that he thinks this is his chance to be daddy… or yoda, or some wise, sits on the mountain top guru.

What annoys me is that he’s playing dad to a bunch of grown-ups in their late-30, early 40’s, kid’s of their own, etc. He has this air of arrogance that just rubs me the wrong way, but deep inside, I think the writers are doing that on purpose.

If he was in my face giving me “fatherly-advice”, I’d be pretty pissed and really annoyed.

Andrea stood up to him, and was the only time she won brownie points, but I felt she dropped the matter to quickly.

Dude, you are totally correct and I agree with you.

The funny director guest guy on The Talking Dead had the best line describing Dale: “he is a flaccid Obi Wan Kenobi”

hilarious… Looks like Dale is going to get his soon. He has pissed off too many people!

[DrDel]

I posted this elsewhere, but what would have made the episode (and series) so much better?

Shane and Andrea are escaping the house and shooting their way down the street, have Shane turn to Andrea and say ‘Tell Otis I said hi’ and shoot her in the leg.

That is awesome! Made me laugh.

[jerri_blank]

One personal observation about this show: I always have dreams about being a survivor of a ZA after watching this show. ALWAYS. Last night I dreamt I was guarding the barn, making sure no walkers could get out.

I never have bad dreams after watching American Horror Story.

For whatever reason, this show burrows into my head a little.

[Stepsongrapes]

Compare to Glen, here’s a guy I really don’t like now. I’ll grant that maybe his character is supposed to be clueless around women, and I mean completely clueless. He can’t even understand that if a woman isn’t all smiles about possibly being pregnant, maybe she doesn’t see it as a good thing. Whatever, people are that stupid. But how do you explain his getting nosy and butting in? He makes Dale look standoff-ish in comparison.

Unlike Dale, Lori gave Glenn a right to have a say the minute she asked him to get the test and drugs for her. He ain’t just butting in out of blue- she dragged him into it.

[Popeye]

No, I’m pretty sure it’s delusional to think that people that previously died and got up again with a taste for living flesh are going to somehow be “cured” of their affliction when they are clearly rotting. I understand that Hershel’s mind snapped regarding his son and wife, but the other folks are just as nutty for going along with it.

It’s one thing to nod your head and agree with the guy that lost his marbles. It’s another to actually kill livestock to nurture the fantasy of the guy that thinks zombies need to fed.

Yeah, it’s not like these are 28 Days Later zombies who are just really really violent humans. Like, their skin is all rotted off. A bunch of them are missing limbs. The are clearly not just “dangerous”.

Beyond that the CDC guy explicitly showed the group that zombification is post-death, I don’t think I’d want to be cured if when i come back I’m going to be missing my left kneecap and have exposed ribs and no ears and all the other very serious health problems I incurred when I was mauled to death by zombies. It makes Hershel seem utterly fucking insane, but I think he’s just supposed to be idealistic.

[Pogo]

One personal observation about this show: I always have dreams about being a survivor of a ZA after watching this show. ALWAYS. Last night I dreamt I was guarding the barn, making sure no walkers could get out.

I never have bad dreams after watching American Horror Story.

For whatever reason, this show burrows into my head a little.

I’ve been having dreams about ZA long before this show. I blame the original Left 4 Dead.

[gameoverman]

Unlike Dale, Lori gave Glenn a right to have a say the minute she asked him to get the test and drugs for her. He ain’t just butting in out of blue- she dragged him into it.

I disagree. I’ve done favors for people, and asked for favors from people, where it’s a ‘no questions asked’ kind of deal. You do what’s asked and move on. Glen seemed okay with that arrangement and even offered to do more of his own free will(she didn’t pressure him or guilt him into it).

Now she’ll know, so in the future if she asks then she really can’t complain if he tells everyone. But if he couldn’t keep his mouth shut he should have declined when she made it clear it’s a personal, keep quiet kind of thing.

[Wing_of_ilium]

I think the scope for privacy shrinks significantly when you’re a band of survivors living - and relying on each other - in a postapocalyptic world. Secrets can get expensive real quick.

[Stepsongrapes]

I disagree. I’ve done favors for people, and asked for favors from people, where it’s a ‘no questions asked’ kind of deal. You do what’s asked and move on. Glen seemed okay with that arrangement and even offered to do more of his own free will(she didn’t pressure him or guilt him into it).

Now she’ll know, so in the future if she asks then she really can’t complain if he tells everyone. But if he couldn’t keep his mouth shut he should have declined when she made it clear it’s a personal, keep quiet kind of thing.

Favors involving the risk of zombification are a bit special. Also, she asked him TWICE (the second time for abortion pills), after he made clear the first time that he wasn’t good at keeping secrets.

[Mr_Bismarck]

I’ve been having dreams about ZA long before this show. I blame the original Left 4 Dead.

Me too, ever since reading about the Redeker Plan.