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I disagree. Endless Space 2 is miles better than GalCiv3. Especially with expansions. I would also recommend The Stars in Shadow if you like MOO2-like tactical 4X.

Endless Space 2 has more interesting mechanics I think, but the AI didn’t seem like it knew how to play the game very well. The factions were varied. I found GalCiv 3 fairly tedious, mostly because of the wide open hex movement through space, since there really isn’t much in the way of interesting features like terrain on land. GalCiv kinda just seems like it fallows the typical space 4X formula - very dry. But, the AI in GalCiv would more likely give you a challenging game - which is worth something. Endless Space uses Star Lanes as the main method of travel while GalCiv has free movement. Both games I played near release so each may have changed.

I’d pass on Stellaris. Other than having some interesting flavor text for events it is mostly a tedious slog. It can be interesting for a little bit during early expansion, and deciding where to station ships at chokepoints (also uses star lanes for travel), but that is it for me. Some people here like Stellaris quite a bit though.

Thanks everyone for responses, I’ll probably go with ES2. Does it still rely so heavily on rock-paper-scissors mechanic as the first game? I remember having to build fleets with specific weapon platforms just to have a chance in the fights.

Also, how are the prebuilt ships? For some reason I never enjoyed the ship builder feature in space 4x games.

Both games use the laser / ballistics / torpedo vs shields / armor / whatever the 3rd is type of weapon and defense systems.Endless Space 2 combat where you steer the flow - such as trying to maintain distance and emphasize a particular weapon. Their combat systems always seem better on paper than in practice, but they do at least try to make it different.

You’d actually be better waiting for Interstellar Space Genesis, which comes out next week.

What sets it apart from the other games? I’m having a hard time mustering any enthusiasm for that one because it looks like pretty much every other unremarkable 4X that I’ll forget the name of in a month. Am I missing something?

-Tom

One thing I love is the dual exploration mechanic. Not only do scouts go around and do their thing, as well as survey ships, you also use, I think, telescopes on your home planet to scan sectors, which take several turns. These scans can find new systems and much more, so exploration is ALWAYS happening, which is great.

Well, I spent a fair bit of time with Interstellar Space: Genesis tonight, and I’m just not seeing it. The telescope thing you mention isn’t really that significant, and it’s certainly not much different than the probes in Endless Space 2. Overall, this feels like a fan-made tribute to Masters of Orion 2, but minus much personality. For a far better example of this kind of game, I heartily recommend Stars in Shadow. But in terms of space 4Xs, these sorts of “hey, Master of Orion 2 sure was cool back in the day!” designs have nothing on Star Ruler 2, Endless Space 2, GalCiv 3, or even Stellaris.

-Tom

That’s fair, there has been a deluge of these things of late.

Personally I’m still struggling to find a space 4X that holds a candle to MOO II (and I have all the GalCivs, both Endless Space games, and Stellaris, though I haven’t gotten to playing the latter, maybe I’ll love it. It’s not like I’ve bounced off every single Paradox game I’ve ever tried… oh wait.). But the imitators never seem to capture the magic either.

There’s never going to be anything like the first time. The uncapturable magic is 25 years of youth

I didn’t play either it or MoM when they came out (I didn’t even have access to a computer back then, being like 8 or 9 and my mom having other priorities like food and shelter), so I’m not sure that’s it, especially since there are subgenres I think were much better served by later installments than the first one(s) I played (Civ IV, for example, is way better than the first Civ). I think they just have a particular alchemy of good ideas, personality, and a certain unconcern for balance that no one’s quite got a handle on these days. (Especially the unconcern for balance.)

There is a great deal of nerdy “put that in cuz it’s cool” in MoM and other early 90s PC games. A lost art, sadly, in our mega corporate publisher age.

Amen regarding the “unconcern for balance”.

There is just something magical about utterly destroying stacks of thousands with a black hole generator after hours of teching and struggling.

Current generation of devs just don’t seem to appreciate that the whole point of climbing the power curve is to become powerful. And we end up with sillly bland and balanced systems in single player games that takes ages to complete even though you have won.

A smaller Wolfenstein set in the 80s comes out this week! And the PC version of Tetris Effect has me tempted despite not owning a VR platform.

Monday, July 22

  • Rise: Race The Future | Switch
  • Flutter Bombs | PC
  • Life ed | PC
  • Elsinore | PC, Mac
  • Beyond: Two Souls | PC

Tuesday, July 23

  • Must Dash Amigos | PC
  • Wargroove | PS4
  • Automachef | Switch, PC
  • Date A Live: Rio Reincarnation | PS4, PC
  • Tetris Effect | PC
  • Vane | PC
  • Run The Fan | Switch
  • High Noon Revolver | Switch
  • Flaky Bakery | PC, Mac
  • Gravity Ball | PC
  • Poly Soldiers | PC
  • Super Demon Boy | PC
  • Rising Kingdoms | PC

Wednesday, July 24

  • Pawarumi | Xbox One, Switch
  • Battleship | Switch
  • Rise: The Vieneo Province | PC
  • Champions | PC
  • Dark Data | PC, Mac
  • Ancient Battle: Alexander | PC, Mac
  • Break My Body | PC, Mac

Thursday, July 25

  • Mighty Switch Force! Collection | PS4, Xbox One, Switch, PC
  • Fantasy Strike | PS4, Switch, PC, Mac
  • Furwind | Xbox One
  • Zombie Driver Ultimate Edition | Switch
  • Elea - Episode 1 | PS4
  • Raiden V | Switch
  • Songbird Symphony | PS4, Switch, PC
  • Monster Boy And The Cursed Kingdom | PC
  • Caged Garden Cock Robin | Switch
  • Picross Lord Of The Nazarick | Switch
  • Collide-a-Ball 2 | Switch
  • Super Mega Baseball 2: Ultimate Edition | Switch
  • Gunpowder On The Teeth: Arcade | Switch
  • Smoots Summer Games | Switch
  • 60 Seconds: Reatomized | PC, Mac
  • Interstellar Space: Genesis | PC

Friday, July 26

  • Kill la Kill The Game | PS4, Switch, PC
  • Decay | Xbox One
  • Remothered: Tormented Fathers | Switch
  • Wolfenstein: Cyberpilot | PSVR, PC (VR)
  • Wolfenstein: Youngblood | PS4, Xbox One, Switch, PC
  • Fire Emblem: Three Houses | Switch
  • Tetsumo Party | PS4, Xbox One, Switch, PC
  • Titans Pinball | Switch
  • Garage Mechanic Simulator | Switch
  • Sheep In Hell | Switch
  • Seeders Puzzle Reboot | Switch
  • Dark Bestiary | PC, Mac
  • Storm Tale | PC, Mac
  • Post Soviet Zombies | PC
  • Bandits | PC
  • Knightin’ + | PC

That game’s store page, be it on Steam or the switch, is hilarious.

I’m intrigued by three games in that list:

  • Monster Boy And The Cursed Kingdom
  • Kill la Kill The Game
  • Fire Emblem: Three Houses

But I have no idea when I’d be able to buy and/or play them (and I certainly don’t have the money or the time now), so no immediate threat to my wallet.

This comes out on the 25th, please add it to the list @Rock8man:

Done.

@rhamorim: Yeah, I was also intrigued by a Kill la Kill The Game. By a complete coincidence I just got done watching the first 3 episodes of that show last week. It’s so over the top I wonder how one would do a game, and would it be a fighting game or an action adventure? The episode in which they have to overcome a series of traps to get to the Academy is one I watched last night. That seemed almost a video game by itself, and yet, would be a pretty hard thing to implement as an actual video game.

I believe there’s a demo on the Switch, but I haven’t tried it.

I believe it’s by Arc System Works, and the KLK fiction doesn’t seem any crazier than the BlazBlue / Guilty Gear settings are.