1961

I expect that I can dish out equivalent damage as BW due to the same game mechanic

Why do you expect this? Because BW and Sorc are “mirror” classes does not imply this.

1962

Great, so they are mirror because they are totally unlike each other.

I GOT IT!

1963

You are assuming that “mirror classes” implies “performs precisely equivalently for my preferred playstyle.”

Mythic, on the other hand, appears to be defining the term to be, “performs approximately the same role in group based and larger RvR.”

If they wanted to use your definition, they’d just rename the spells and give both classes exactly the same mechanics. They didn’t. That should tell you something about what their goals are.

1964

Except Sorc and BW have the exact same game mechanic and Both range magic DPS. except BW have access to much better spells than Sorc.

Been trying to point out that fact to you.

1965

You’re either intentionally trolling, or being willfully dense. Either way, it’s quite clear that you have no interest in discussing alternative viewpoints on this topic. Please take that crap to the VN boards where it belongs. Have a nice day.

1966

Please play a sorc and a bright wizard before calling me a troll or dense.

Fact is Mythic also list sorc as a comparable class to BW, they both plays extremely similar, whole point of mirror classes between 2 realm is allowing player to have a choice to play on either realm without the problem of missing particular class type they like to play.

1967

Do you seriously need to be told that the Sorc is a ranged DPS class that can put out such insane burst DPS that it’s the biggest threat to the opposing team? It doesn’t matter what the BW does. Your role is fairly well defined and the BW does not affect that in the slightest.

God only knows why you’re obsessed with the head-to-head.

1968

Sorces don’t have the overpowered Witch Elves coming after them and instead get the crap Witch Hunters to deal with. That’s not fair!

1969

Ok, then I want the aoe knockback tactic. Screw it, I’d give up a bunch of damage for that.

I’ve played both, and they feel comparatively similar. I ended up sticking with BW because I liked the orange shinies. Now that I know more about the classes I’ll probably switch to Destro because that is just too fly to pass up.

I really think you’re underestimating the value of a tactic that keeps pretty much any class from fulfilling its job while allowing you to do fairly good amounts of damage. No, you won’t be as effective at single target damage as the BW, but the ability to control the positioning of enemies is a crucial power and well worth the loss of some damage.

Plus, if Mythic does indeed end up buffing the crap out of the Sorc, I’ll be sitting on top of a monster of a class.

1970

never mind. :)

1971

I keep saying and I will say it again, knockback isn’t a disable, healer can still use instant heal to while flying through the air, and nuker can still use instant nuke.

you won’t even land your “fairly good damage” but extremely short range aoe, before you can get in range to do any damage.

BW out damage sorc in single/dot/Aoe damage just from detonate alone, you can easily claim top spot in a scenario as a BW just simply casting detonate along with other instant cast without ever worrying about trying to chase into middle of enemy group.

1972

They can still use instant heal, but most of the instant heals are barely better than preheals before using a real skill. And since they’ll be travelling away from their team, they won’t have as many targets. The BWs can still use their instant cast stuff, but like the healer they’ll have fewer options since both classes are already standing at max range or as close as they can get to max range.

And all the aoe ranged casts are 80ft, which while it isn’t great, it isn’t terrible. WH/WE stuff is much closer range and they do fine, and both classes are in light gear. Perhaps you need to prioritize wounds/tough over int? I generally have little trouble dashing in for a couple of 80ft casts and then bouncing out to get healed.

I think a lot of this is pointless, as neither of us has a RDPS at 40 and neither do most other people. We’ll know if it’s balanced by then.

However, if the DoK is anything like the WP, they’ll have a tactic that allows them to remove hexes by spamming their party heal. So don’t be too confident in the power of the hex.

1973

I think a lot of this is pointless, as neither of us has a RDPS at 40 and neither do most other people. We’ll know if it’s balanced by then.

I really don’t agree with this, especially since unlike WOW, most of players pvp from lvl 1-40, so even if 1-39 is unbalanced that’s huge impact to a game like WAR.

in regarding to all of our aoe range cast are 80 ft, if you look at our sorc skills, 2 of them are channeled, and rest of them have 2-3s cast time.

compare to bright wizard, almost all of their 80 ft aoe range skills are instant cast and deal more damage.

Especially since most of the BW best spell does not require spec in a particular tree and the others require only 5 spec points at most(but most of the BW go dot simply because it’s OP with detonate), while it’s necessary to spec in certain tree as a sorc to even be viable.

1974

Knockback also has a lot of positional factors. Take Doomfist - knockback people the right way, and they go sailing off the platform and have to spend crucial time running back into position, assuming they aren’t intercepted along the way. And it’s a good bet someone who’s been knocked off the platform isn’t going to have line of sight on anyone on the platform. Or Tor Anroc, where you can knock people into lava that will very possibly kill them. Or…

Also, once more with feeling - “mirror” classes are not meant to be identical! They’re supposed to fulfill similar roles while having their own unique flavor and playstyle. If you feel that the Bright Wizard fulfills the role you want to be playing better, then play a Bright Wizard. That’s not at all the same as being more powerful than the Sorc, which I strongly suspect they aren’t. (And if they are? I don’t give a crap - Sorcs kill me more than often enough for my tastes.)

1975

Good for you.

1976

You’re defending a keep. You have been breached, and multiple healers and ranged DPS types have run past your keep lord and out onto the battlements. Which is more useful:

a) 10% more damage (or even 20%)
b) Knockback

You’re either being intentionally contentious without even considering the ramifications of one style over the other, or you’re simply whining.

Do BW do more damage? Maybe. Can they apply it easier? Probably. Do sorc’s get some very useful abilities that makes this not the steamroll comparison you’re trying to make it out to be? Absolutely!

I can’t imagine having a knockback attached to my PBAE. The godliness would be unbearable. Suddenly all those folks who you’re critting with your PBAE for 5-10% of their HP at best are flying away from you, unable to attack back. (Except apparently for the eagle-eyed targetters on your server who may not have even been targetting you but somehow in the midst of being blown through a crowd of dozens to hundreds manages to pick you out, mouse target you, and lay some instant smackdown on you.)

Sorry, I get your point that Sorc’s don’t do the same damage as a BW. I just flat out disagree that they’re not as useful, and that they ought to do the same damage instead of having different utility. You’re a hell of a better disruptor than a BW is, and in group PvP that’s hellaciously useful.

1977

Great, now I’m imagine myself defending a keep, I hit my PBaoe, boom, oh wait nothing happen, damn I don’t have Triumphant Blasting tactic slotted, oh wait I don’t even have it. it’s a lvl 33 tactic.

Oh I guess I’m stuck with a class that’s less damage, less utility and doesn’t even get to have fun for the first 33 levels of the game.

Thank guys for making my day better by pointing the fact that a lvl 33 tactic is going to make it all ok.

in regarding to your question of
a) 10% more damage or even 20%.
b) knockback on a crit on 1/3 of your spell.

hmm 20% more damage all the time or b??

Which retard is going to pick B?

1978

Seriously, just drop your sorc and reroll something else. Or quit the game entirely. The rest of us are having fun with the class.

1979

So are we taking the ignore the problem and it will go away method.

Really who care about balance in a pvp game right? Guess I’m the only one who give a damn.

1980

I’ve got an extra copy of this lying around if someone wants to reimburse me for it. I picked up a few for friends who wanted to play. Everyone paid me for theirs but one guy changed his mind, so I’d really like to get my money back :)

I hope it’s cool to post that. Just trying to hook someone up :) PM me if interested.