Was any speculation correct?

Assuming that the two men arrested are the snipers, I hope all of the profilers that were all over the news are hiding their inaccurate heads in shame. I’ll admit my speculation about the gun & hunting skills were completely wrong. Was any profiler correct?

I don’t think any of them predicted a black shooter. I did hear speculation about a military background, though.

FBI profiling is a little like fortune telling at carnival: make some assumptions based on circumstances then fill in the blanks with stereotypes.

Well, he’s a follow of Islam. That and the military thing are about the only things I heard discussed that a profiler mentioned.

I thought it was ex-military from the start but then again that was just a guess much like the ones profilers make. I was surprised the guy was black. I would have guessed more of a redneck hunter kind of guy.

– Xaroc

It just seems so easy now. The latest has the car modified to fire from within it. The weapon, sight and tripod… What happened to all the white truck/van stuff? They caught them both sleeping… why wasn’t one of them keeping an eye out for cops? All the stuff in Washington state…

I guess it’s really over. I hope it’s really over. It just seems so pat though. The mounting evidence seems to be so complete. Given how they slipped away from all these shootings without a trace, it seems so hard to believe they’d be caught so easily.

–Dave

Well, ya know, a blue buick can easily be mistaken for a white box truck.

I’m really surprised that they stuck with the car they had. The sniper obviously watched a lot of news. I would’ve thought that once he saw “authorities are looking for a blue Buick with license number XXXXX” that they would’ve found alternate transportation.

Especially since there was another bit of the story that a red caprice was found burned out completely that they suspected as part of the sniper case but couldn’t prove anything due to the condition it was in.

–Dave

My brother’s theory was that they waited for a white van or similar vehicle to pass by before shooting someone. Once the first report of that got out (from one witness of one shooting during the Big Day) it’d be easy to mislead everyone else.

— Alan

That’s feasible Alan. It would also explain the differences in the vans as described by witnesses. It still doesn’t explain why there were just sleeping at the rest stop, seemingly oblivious to the fact that someone might see their car and call the authorities. Heck, I’m suspicious of anyone sleeping at rest stops in their car, let alone a car that was broadcast nationwide on the news.

I guess it’s just because they seemed so smart early on that I’m having a hard time stomaching the ease of capture.

–Dave

Goddamnit, would it kill you ladies to actually create topics with descriptive subjects?

Better yet, why the hell do we need, yet another sniper topic? What? You lost your magnifying glass and missed ALL the other threads on this particular subject?

sheesh :twisted:

huh. I read the title and immediatly knew it was a sniper topic. What did you think it was?

I guess it’s just because they seemed so smart early on that I’m having a hard time stomaching the ease of capture.

Because as with most criminals, they really aren’t so smart. They were just doing something different or surprising, so there was not a set way to respond. That and most crimes and not solved by detective work, they are solved by tips and idiots bragging.

Though I think the shooting out of the trunk of the car thing is kind of smart, in a CHIPS driving the car into the back of a truck kind of way.

Chet

I thought it was ex-military from the start but then again that was just a guess much like the ones profilers make. I was surprised the guy was black. I would have guessed more of a redneck hunter kind of guy.

Add me to the white redneck crowd. Hmmm.

Let’s just hope that it is indeed the right guys…

ASJunk

Actually they were asleep when that APB went out. That APB went out just before midnight. So, they never saw it. A trucker saw the car, called in a radio station for more description, confirmed it, called 911, blocked in the car with his truck for 15 mins until the cops arrived.

And besides, the cops were looking for a White van - which they weren’t using. So, they didn’t need to change it at all.

I was wide awake watching CNN, reading etc when that first aired. I was still awake and watched the hole rest stop fiasco unfold.

…am still awake. Those fockers kept me up half the night with all the mounting excitement of it all. :D

btw, they found a Bushmaster 223 rifle in the car. This is the public version of the military M16 rifle. And the 41 yr old is ex-military, a Gulf war vet and had an M16 marksmanship badge (he shot 36/40 targets ranging from 30 to 300 meters) from the military.

Muhammed and McVeigh both Gulf War vets. Both fucked in the head. I wonder how much the Gulf War sickness may play a role.

I have heard from Ret. Army folks including Hackworth that give numbers stating that approx. 10,000 people have died as a result of being subjected to some form of chemical and biological contaminants from Kuwait. 160,000 have contracted illnesses due to it. They were not necessarily used on our men and women, but when factories were destroyed, chemicals disposed of, and fallout from attacks elsewhere caused them to be infected in some way. Everyone was wearing protective gear, but it was not appropriate to what the soldiers were being exposed to.

Not saying it played a factor ,however, I had heard the Gulf War Sickness story lately and noted that both these guys had been there. Maybe some of you know what kind of affects on people those types of chemical and biological weapons have. Can they mess with your brain and thought processes?

The current theory is that the pre-deployment vaccinations included certain “agent inhibitors” that would protect you from bio agents and nerve gas. They’re thinking that the drugs that were tested didn’t go over too well in many soldiers’ systems. There is also a second form of syndrome which is the by-product of contamination with a bio-agent over there. It’s a bronchial tube infector that spreads through the rest of the body from that point, causing chronic fatigue, shortness of breath, and a variety of immune system failures.

An interesting note about that second agent is that I’ve heard talk of it being structurally similar to the HIV virus - which was being used to lend power to the theory that HIV was a manufactured plague that got beyond its target zone. Personally I’m very hesitant to believe any of the “experts” on that, given that I don’t know their back-stage agendas.

Additionally, it has been somewhat agreed to that the torching of the oil fields in the region at the end of the war was a cover for release of a cocktail of bio-agents… the smoke would hide the gas clouds, and the heat would serve to carry it much higher aloft than otherwise possible with a ground release. Several “cannisters” were supposedly found near the oil wells - although again this is information from individuals with unknown agendas. When someone steps forward and claims to be an “expert” and makes claims of research that I’m unaware of, I consider it suspect even if it does make sense.

Actually they were asleep when that APB went out. That APB went out just before midnight. So, they never saw it. A trucker saw the car, called in a radio station for more description, confirmed it, called 911, blocked in the car with his truck for 15 mins until the cops arrived.

And besides, the cops were looking for a White van - which they weren’t using. So, they didn’t need to change it at all.

I was wide awake watching CNN, reading etc when that first aired. I was still awake and watched the hole rest stop fiasco unfold.

…am still awake. Those fockers kept me up half the night with all the mounting excitement of it all. :D

btw, they found a Bushmaster 223 rifle in the car. This is the public version of the military M16 rifle. And the 41 yr old is ex-military, a Gulf war vet and had an M16 marksmanship badge (he shot 36/40 targets ranging from 30 to 300 meters) from the military.[/quote]

Ahhhh, that makes sense. I didn’t realize the APB and the apprehension were that close together. I just assumed that they call had gone out the day before when they started searching the house in Tacoma.

'I have heard from Ret. Army folks including Hackworth ’

Whatever the other ones are saying, you should ignore the resume-inflating, lying Hackworth.

As a follow-up to my post…

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/gws.html

This pretty much tells a condensed overview of everything I’ve read on the subject of GWS. Some highlights:

Marshall has spent years investigating the allegations of Michael Riconosciuto-a former CIA scientific whiz-kid. Riconosciuto claimed that while working for the Wackenhut Corporation at its Cabazon Indian Reservation facility he developed advanced and genetically altered biological warfare agents. One such agent, he alleged, was a “race-specific” organism, genetically engineered to attack certain races or groups. Unleashed it could kill or render ill all those of a particular ethnic group, leaving others entirely unharmed.


The 1st Field Laboratory Unit was composed of 40 men working in eight teams of five. It was deployed from Porton Down, Britain’s biological warfare headquarters. Parker, ranked Sergeant, was second in command of one of the five-man teams. “As the biological warfare reconnaissance team, we were sampling the environment looking for biological weapons,” he said, adding that “this was difficult and hard to do. We could only identify four agents: plague, anthrax, botulism toxin A and B-that’s all.” The specialised equipment they had to work with to identify bio-weapons was not very sophisticated.

Parker has confirmed that his unit found numerous positive samples of biological organisms that couldn’t be analysed and identified on the battlefield. “Many, many more were present” than the four they could identify. Positive samples were collected and shipped in freezer units to Boscombe Down for analysis by the Porton Down CB specialists.

Significantly, in addition to confirming that his unit positively identified the presence of anthrax at Dhahran, Parker also revealed that another team of the 1st Field Laboratory Unit identified the presence of plague at Wadi al Batin.

Angus Parker has tried in vain to get other members of his unit to come forward and speak openly, but they are too scared to do so. “They’re not sick and still have their jobs,” he explained.

Parker is not alone in revealing the use of biological weapons in the Gulf War. US Marine Corps battlefield logs released under the Freedom of Information Act confirm the findings of Porton Down’s “Secret Team”. On 24 February 1991, the US Army’s 513th Military Intelligence Brigade confirmed the use of anthrax at King Khalid Military City.


Turnbull was an RAF Senior Electrician in a Nuclear, Biological & Chemical (NBC) unit and an experienced instructor on NBC equipment. He was stationed at the giant military base located at Dhahran on the night of 20 January 1991, when air raid sirens began wailing madly. Incoming Scud missiles were detected and a nearby US Patriot battery fired off intercept missiles. One of the missiles downed the Scud which landed a mere 400 yards from Turnbull. The impact left an eight-foot-deep crater but, curiously, the giant ground-to-ground missile did not explode.

“All the nerve agent detectors sounded the alarm,” Turnbull recalls. As an NBC expert he ran three tests which confirmed the presence of “G agent”, otherwise known as Sarin-the deadly nerve agent developed by the Nazis in World War II. Turnbull ran a further three “residual vapour detector tests” which also showed the presence of nerve agents. In all, he says, “thirty-three items of equipment showed that chemical weapons had been detected”.1

“NBC Condition Black” was sounded and everyone on the base rushed to don their NBC “Noddy” suits. Incredibly, 20 minutes later an all-clear siren (“NBC Condition White”) sounded and troops removed their protective clothing accordingly. Twenty minutes later “NBC Condition Black” sounded again, and remained in force for a further eight hours.

Turnbull, who says he is “absolutely certain it was a chemical weapon attack”, is understandably angry. Sounding the all-clear when nerve agents were shown to be present was, he says, “the biggest cock-up in history”. Hundreds of troops were needlessly exposed to Sarin, he believes.

I love our intelligent media.

This AM:“What type of evidence are they looking For?”…“Well we hope they find some fingerprint,or DNA evidence linking them to the snipings”(My first thought “Did they find a gun in the fucking car!!!”)

Three hours later"They found a rifle in the car".SHEESH :?