‘Everyday climate change – in pictures’:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2015/jan/20/everyday-climate-change-in-pictures

‘Shareholders challenge BP to confront climate change risk’:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/21/bp-challenged-confront-climate-change-risk-by-shareholders

Oil giant BP is being challenged to confront the risk that climate change may pose to its future in a shareholder resolution published on Wednesday.

Pension funds controlling hundreds of billions of pounds are among the 150 investors demanding the company tests whether its business model is compatible with the international community’s pledge to limit global warming to 2C.

The 2C target means only a quarter of existing, exploitable fossil fuel reserves are burnable, according to a series of recent analyses, implying that trillions of dollars of oil, gas and coal held by investors could become worthless and that further exploration for fossil fuels may be pointless.

The same shareholder resolution, which includes a ban on corporate bonuses for climate-harming activities, has been tabled with Shell and both will be voted on at forthcoming annual meetings.

Financial experts, including the Bank of England, Goldman Sachs, Standard and Poor’s and Axa IM, have warned of the risk climate change policies pose to fossil fuel companies. Coal, oil and gas companies are also under attack from a fast-growing campaign that aims to stigmatise them by persuading investors to dump their fossil fuel shares, a call backed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and others.

Some argue that engaging with fossil fuel companies is a more effective tactic than divestment. But Jonathon Porritt, one of the UK’s most esteemed environmentalists who spent years working on sustainability projects with BP and Shell, last week said engagement was now futile because “hydrocarbon supremacists” at the companies had successfully ousted reformers wanting to diversify into green energy.

Ugh. I’m personally deeply concerned about climate change and the environment, and I’m a former subscriber of Outside Magazine. But that article is just pandering to the enemy of the day for American environmentalists. It’s really, really bad. I don’t even know where to begin.

Just understand that oil sands are located in a first world democracy in a country with open media reporting. The resource is managed by a universe of government regulations and monitoring, university research teams in probably every single science and even social discipline, and an industry that is so paranoid about it’s negative image that it offers high-paying jobs to the most vocal environmentalists and actually get them to help manage the resource. That will get you closer to understanding the actual context of the oil sands.

Like I said, I don’t know where to start. You can try googling, this looks interesting: http://www.ianas.org/books/Environmental_and_health_impacts_of_canadas_oil_sands%20Industry.pdf

Briefly:

Land disturbance, ‘looks like Hiroshima’. Yes, when you remove vegetation and top-soil it looks like dirt. All extraction permits require reclamation (that means restoration). Of course, it takes decades and to get a pass on the reclamation requires the environment to be truly restored (again we’re in Canada, the inspector isn’t going to give a pass for a $50 bill under the table). Getting the pass is very difficult, so not that many square miles have passed yet. But it is happening.

Tailings ponds, ‘the size of enormous lakes’. Absolutely a huge concern. The clay particles that get washed out of the sand are so fine in tailings that they simply don’t settle. They are contaminated and they just stay suspended in the water. Much research has been done, but it simply takes years to settle to the bottom. No it’s not released into the river, yes leeching is monitored closely and they use geofabrics to prevent it. Where spills occur it’s cleaned up and remediated. Given the production rates the ponds are huge.

Climate change. The GHG emissions are a bit higher than from traditional extraction methods, but not as bad as you think. Downstream (the people that burn the oil and gas, that is we the public) produce more GHG emissions than extraction. Of course, the general public is not such an easy target, is it?

What else. The ducks. Yes that incident in 2008 was tragic. It was also the worst incident, 1,600 ducks. At the time it was front page news for days and days. I like how the article makes it sound like it’s literally a daily occurence, like the consumption rate is 1,600 ducks per day. In reality the oil companies have staff and robots dedicated full-time to keeping waterfowl away from the ponds. The robots listen for their sounds and shoot environmentaly-friendly-lead-free shotgun blanks to scare them away. That day several circumstances, possibly freezing rain, conspired to shut them down. But they do what they can.

Like I said there’s just too much. One more point. The total disturbed area is something like 1,000 square kilometers. That is much less than the lost land from single hydrolelectric dams in the US and Canada, and those lands would never be reclaimed.

Anyway do some research, there are huge concerns with the oil sands, much room for improvement too. I personally think they are being mined faster than Alberta or Canada needs and we would be better off leaving some of it in the ground for future generations. But they are being managed.

@ Scott123, there is just not that much to recommend fracking, and whatever the colourful and emotive language used in that piece (i guess it has it’s audience to care about, that are probably not fracking share holders?), the bottom line is that fracking is one of the worst (as in inefficient and CO2 heavy) methods of fossil fuel extraction, there are so many downsides (many mentioned in that article, and you can certainly find more detail about all that).


'With this attack on community energy the big six win out over ‘big society’:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2015/jan/23/community-energy-companies-big-six-big-society

Uk-centric, but more about showing the current Torries snug relationship with Big Energy as opposed to the general publics choices in trying to reduce our crippling energy costs in the uk.

the bottom line is that fracking is one of the worst (as in inefficient and CO2 heavy) methods of fossil fuel extraction

This is kind of a nonsensical statement.

Fracking is a technology for accessing fuel reserves which are inaccessible otherwise. It’s not like you can just do something else and magically get the gas out of the shale.

Natural Gas harvested via fracking is certainly more expensive than pulling oil from a close to the surface source, but there aren’t infinite sources like that.

Actually the article was about the Alberta oil sands which are a completely different oil source than hydraulic fracturing. The oil sands are oily sand near the surface in Alberta, a huge resource on the scale of Saudi Arabia, but much of it uneconomical under current prices and it requires processing before it can be considered crude oil (which then requires more processing).

Hmm ok you don’t see this kind of thing very often, but the former Tory (right wing) environment minister calls for a ban on fracking:

‘Ban fracking, says former Tory environment secretary Caroline Spelman’:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/22/ban-fracking-says-former-tory-environment-secretary-caroline-spelman

The former Tory environment secretary, Caroline Spelman, has called for a ban on fracking in the UK ahead of a report by an influential committee of MPs that is expected to conclude fracking could derail efforts to tackle climate change.

The intervention by Spelman, a member of the Environmental Audit Committee, comes as the government’s drive for fracking came under heavy political attack on Thursday.

Anne McIntosh, Tory chair of the separate environment select committee of MPs, also mounted an assault against shale gas exploration while Labour’s shadow ministers said that fracking should not allowed until 13 regulatory “loopholes” are closed.

David Cameron has said the government is “going all out” for shale gas in the UK, claiming it would create jobs and cut the country’s reliance on imports. But opponents argue the high pressure fracturing of rocks to release gas risks health and environmental impacts and drives climate change.

Spelman’s demand for a halt to fracking was made in an amendment to a controversial government bill on which MPs will vote on Monday.

I wonder how long she will remain a Tory MP?

I live in Pennsylvania, right in the center of the marcelas shale deposits, so I’ve seen first hand what goes on.

The idea that fracking will somehow impact climate change is kind of silly. You aren’t going to tackle climate change by trying to stop people from harvesting fossil fuels. You aren’t going to win the fight by making energy more expensive.

You will win by making OTHER forms more available. Mainly, nuclear power, as it’s really the only viable large scale alternative to fossil fuels, and has zero carbon. So if you want to reduce humanity’s carbon footprint, you should be campaigning to build more nuclear power plants.

Regarding fracking, the environmental danger comes from poorly regulated well digging, where they don’t correctly pour the concrete sleeve around the well shaft. If that is poured incorrectly and cracks, then gas and industrial fluids can leak into the ground water, which screws everything up.

Timex, in the UK basically liability for anything going wrong has been assumed by the state and it’s far lower tax than North Sea gas, which companies have already indicated they want to wind down in favour of fracking.

There’s basically no reason for them to be careful, since the system doesn’t allow local objections or comeback.

Well, the problem is with the rest of your system then, not fracking itself.

No, same problem - corporatism being allowed to dictate government goals.

There’s not remotely sufficient (legally mandatory) studies been done on the geology the areas where they want to drill, there’s been no (legally mandatory) impact study on water usage (since we have local water monopolies), etc. - it’s been steamrollered through.

If they want to frack, it’s up to - under UK law - for companies to justify it.

Some more UK centric stuff on Fracking (and i include it as a side interest for Americans, as you have been through all this already to greater or lesser degrees):

‘MPs: Ban fracking to meet carbon targets’:

And a background study is the Conservatives close connection with the fracking industry as shown in a leaked document:

‘George Osborne urges ministers to fast-track fracking measures in leaked letter’:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/26/george-osborne-ministers-fast-track-fracking

This is how corporations distort and undermine our democracies, not new news, but just another example of that type of corruption.

‘Study: Global warming ‘doubles risk’ of extreme weather’:

Extreme weather arising from a climate phenomenon in the Pacific Ocean will get much worse as the world warms, according to climate modelling.

Parts of the world will have weather patterns that switch between extremes of wet and dry, say scientists. The US will see more droughts while flooding will become more common in the western Pacific, research suggests.

The study, in Nature Climate Change, adds to a growing body of evidence over climate change and extreme weather.

The latest data - based on detailed climate modelling work - suggests extreme La Nina events in the Pacific Ocean will almost double with global warming, from one in 23 years to one in 13 years.

One year anniversary of NYT announcing the end of snow: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-snow.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1

So… when you read that, you thought that the NYT was declaring that there was no more snow? It was an ‘announcement,’ by the NYT itself?

When I read it, it was an opinion piece by an individual stating that there may be a lot less snow in the US thirty years from now.

There is nothing at all unreasonable with the actual text of that article.

I agree - I like the article. Just was trying to cheer people up if they were digging out.

Considering there’s been a lot less snow for the last 10 years or more, that’s a fairly safe statement.

When I was a kid, snow higher than my head was common, I remember trying to walk to school through snowbanks that would basically sink you to your hips and force you to try to crawl out of them. Since I’ve been able to drive (so over 2 decades now) the number of times snow got over a foot is pretty low. I can walk outside right now in a t-shirt and see no snow. In Iowa. In January.

Sadly, this is an observation shared by myself and many others. I generally enjoy the snow a lot (skiing, snowballs, sledding, etc.), and it’s getting pretty apparent that the times, they are a-changing.

Still if you had had the huge fall predicted it may have been like the old days? In the UK we went years (in the south) without snow (cirica 1990’s iirc), my little bro was 7 years old before he experienced his first snow, and in comparison my childhood had been that more traditional ‘snow every winter’ type. Now, these last few years or more, we do get snow on a more regular basis, but it can either be a light dusting that does not stick, or a big dump, more extreme in general, coupled with hotter summer temps etc. Yeah i do see the more extreme aspect of our weather these days.