What are the odds that the Quinault Indian Nation has a beef with Valve?

			    What are the odds that the Quinault Indian Nation has a beef with Valve?
			      Nick Diamon, April 18, 2019
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The Quinault Indian Nation, a federally recognized self-governing tribe in Washington state, is suing Valve over gambling rights. The lawsuit, filed in Grays Harbor Superior Court, alleges that Valve runs the equivalent of an unlicensed virtual gambling outfit through Steam via skin and loot box purchases. The nation’s lawyers further accuse Valve of benefiting from third-party trading sites and purposefully acting slowly and ineffectually to combat those sites’ exploitation of children. More pragmatically, the Quinault Indian Nation says Valve is cutting into their legal casino business.
“By providing Washington residents with an illegal, online form of gambling, Valve offers unlawful alternatives to gambling at the lawful and highly regulated Quinault Casino, which takes away revenue from both Quinault and local governments.”
The Quinault Indian Nation wants Valve to cease its online gambling business, and asks the Washington Gaming Commission to regulate the practice, or shut it down permanently. You can read a copy of the filing here.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://www.quartertothree.com/fp/2019/04/18/what-are-the-odds-that-the-quinault-indian-nation-has-a-beef-with-valve/

I wonder what the Venn Diagram looks like between “people who go to casinos” and “people who buy skins in online video games”. My guess is those two circles hardly touch.

I guess the lawyers are already on retainer, you might as well let them get creative if you don’t have anything else for them to do?


Wow… Indian Nation, Valve, lawyers, loot boxes, casinos, gambling.
There are so many wonderfully offensive jokes in this…


does it matter? if gambling is highly regulated and valve is skirting those rules, should it matter what the potential impact is? also, i’ll bet its higher than you think. Most gamers buying csgo items and gambling on esports are over 21, lol.

its pretty obvious that csgo, at least at one time, was essentially running an unregulated gambling market. In such a situation, they probably have a pretty good case.


“Valve is cutting in on our exploitation of people with gambling addictions” seems like an unexpected legal angle.


Maybe they just feel they have to defend their right or risk losing it, similar to defending copyright.