What induces nerd rage in you?

shift6 · 2011-06-29T13:25:47.000Z

New name for a new thing, not marketing fuck name for an existing thing.

WarrenM · 2011-06-29T13:28:43.000Z

Sorry, I didn’t hear you, I was too busy rolling my eyes as loudly as possible. Your real problem seems to lie with marketing people, who you and Zylon (don’t you just LOVE being on the same side as Zylon, BTW?) have decided are the worst of the worst.

shift6 · 2011-06-29T13:45:53.000Z

I’m not clear on what exactly is the problem in agreeing with someone on one topic even if I disagree with them on others. I also don’t hate marketers, a wildly baseless meta-assertion based on my admitted extreme nerd rage over this single item.

WarrenM · 2011-06-29T13:47:51.000Z

I guess my impression was skewed by the word “fuck” being in close proximity with the word “marketing” or “marketer” in your and Zylon’s posts. Sorry for construing that as hating marketers.

Nellie · 2011-06-29T13:52:52.000Z

Matt Perkins:

Exactly. In the right circumstances, it is a huge time saver. I also spent a fair amount of time training end users in using, both in a class setting and in a business setups and it’s really good for people that have basic database knowledge, but couln’t program a .Net program.

As I said, it has it’s uses for sure. It just very finicky. Touchy. Special.

Oh it’s special alright. Drives me up the bloody wall.

I’ve done alright with Access, it’s kept me in a job and bridged that gap from Support into DBA and development work which I’d never have got otherwise. I just hate its frickin’ error messages and being in the situation which frequently occurs of have business critical processes and data served by Access when they should be on something more secure and capable. But can’t blame Microsoft for that I suppose.

shift6 · 2011-06-29T13:57:23.000Z

WarrenM:

I guess my impression was skewed by the word “fuck” being in close proximity with the word “marketing” or “marketer” in your and Zylon’s posts. Sorry for construing that as hating marketers.

Apology accepted. My posts were clear on what I was raging against, any jump-to-conclusions mats and internet meta-lols notwithstanding.

I actually briefly considered trolling post history to find times you wrote “fuck X” and being internet-retarded about it DO YOU HATE EVERYTHING LOLOL, but hopefully we’ve kind of spent this valueless little subthread and can get back to nerd-raging about shit that matters, like how much we hate the MS Access Jet engine. Sounds good?

WarrenM · 2011-06-29T14:00:31.000Z

shift6:

Apology accepted. My posts were clear on what I was raging against, any jump-to-conclusions mats and internet meta-lols notwithstanding.

I actually briefly considered trolling post history to find times you wrote “fuck X” and being internet-retarded about it DO YOU HATE EVERYTHING LOLOL, but hopefully we’ve kind of spent this valueless little subthread and can get back to nerd-raging about shit that matters, like how much we hate the MS Access Jet engine. Sounds good?

Sure. See you in the cloud, good buddy!

dermot · 2011-06-29T14:28:07.000Z

shift6:

New name for a new thing, not marketing fuck name for an existing thing.

But who cares if it’s a new name for an existing thing? It’s supposed to communicate the concept that the storage you’re using or the VPS you’re using is hosted on infrastructure that you have no visibility of; on a network diagram it would be represented by a cloud with ‘Amazon’ or ‘Dropbox’ or ‘Google’ on it. Which is exactly where the term comes from.

You might as well get all nerd-ragey about people describing their corporate network as an ‘intranet’ because hey, it’s still an internet, right?

Rebel44 · 2011-06-29T19:25:25.000Z

I hate political correctness and taxes :)

Zylon · 2011-06-30T10:36:05.000Z

dermot:

You might as well get all nerd-ragey about people describing their corporate network as an ‘intranet’ because hey, it’s still an internet, right?

No, actually, it isn’t. The internet is a public “network of networks” (hence the name). An intranet is a private network.

dermot · 2011-06-30T11:28:31.000Z

Zylon:

No, actually, it isn’t. The internet is a public “network of networks” (hence the name). An intranet is a private network.

An intranet is indeed a private network (or networks) but that doesn’t preclude one from also being an internet, especially if it has a connection The Internet, in which case it is part of an ‘internetwork’. Hence the name. Smart arse.

Quitch · 2011-06-30T14:00:29.000Z

Zylon:

No, actually, it isn’t. The internet is a public “network of networks” (hence the name). An intranet is a private network.

Actually, wrong. An internet is any number of interconnected IP networks (subnets), the Internet is capitalised because it’s now a title rather than a description of the network itself.

en.wikipedia.org

Capitalization of "Internet"

Publishers have different conventions regarding the capitalization of Internet versus internet, when referring to the Internet, as distinct from generic internets, or internetworks. Since the widespread deployment of the Internet protocol suite in the 1980s, the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Society, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), the W3C, and others have consistently spelled the name of the worldwide network, the Internet, with an initi...

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc871
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc872

Zylon · 2011-06-30T15:36:25.000Z

But in real-world modern usage, does anybody actually refer to anything but THE internet as an internet? As the very article you link to points out, even the capitalization of “internet” is going away.

shift6 · 2011-06-30T17:33:59.000Z

Exactly. The technical minutiae aren’t what I’m raging against; the generalized term “the cloud” replacing the generalized term “the internet” which took 15 years to take hold in the popular conscience; that’s what I’m raging against. Any Tier 2’s server cluster is just as much a part of the Internet as Granny’s computer when dialed up through her 56.6 kbps modem.

If someone wants to talk about the more specific “cloud computing”, I have no problem with that really. Actually I think on-demand cloud computing is fucking genius. But when I’m using a service like dropbox or box.net to store my files, I’m not “cloud computing” in “the cloud”. I’m using TCP/Internet Protocol to connect to my Internet Service Provider and saving files on the Internet. lol

And if Google goes down or offline for whatever reason, your “cloud” of Google docs and music won’t be available to you. So much for “the cloud, I don’t care where it’s at, it’s all in the cloud”. And to preempt the responses about Google going down, consider when Amazon’s “cloud” (reality check: one of their data centers) went offline in April. All of a sudden, reddit and twitter and others cared where in “the cloud” their stuff was hosted because “the cloud” didn’t save them from downtime.

It’s the fucking internet.

*note: this message is funnier if every time you see “the cloud” you read it in a higher pitched, semi-lofty voice as if glorifying Caesar himself on the streets of the Agora.

Gus_Smedstad1 · 2011-06-30T18:24:43.000Z

I have to admit the Microsoft “To The Cloud!” commercials are extremely annoying.

Hanacker · 2011-06-30T18:35:41.000Z

Gus_Smedstad:

I have to admit the Microsoft “To The Cloud!” commercials are extremely annoying.

Computers are magic!

Bill_Dungsroman · 2011-06-30T20:43:03.000Z

Gus_Smedstad:

I have to admit the Microsoft “To The Cloud!” commercials are extremely annoying.

I love the one with the family where the mom essentially does Photoshop to fix her family picture. The cloud! It does everything!

robsam · 2011-06-30T22:21:33.000Z

I remember doing whiteboard presentations way back in 2001 demonstrating “the cloud” when I was selling PBX’s for a company called Intertel. It was hard to explain how this worked as well as a true point to point T1 connection, which cost much more per month. So I drew some lines on the whiteboard showing office “A” connected to office “B” through a squiggly lined cloud hanging over both of them. Not sure why it has taken this long for that term to catch fire with the marketing people, or why it pisses so many people off in this thread. It’s really not that hard to understand, why does it bother you that a dumbed down explanation for the masses is being used?

Bill_Dungsroman · 2011-06-30T22:52:18.000Z

robsam:

It’s really not that hard to understand, why does it bother you that a dumbed down explanation for the masses is being used?

Speaking for the example I mentioned the ad implies “the Cloud” will let a complete novice manipulate photos at expert Photoshop levels. That’s sort of annoying!

BaconTastesGood · 2011-07-01T16:05:47.000Z

Oh, I have an actual nerd rage post!!

Cut-and-pasting from a Web page into Gmail and it keeps all the formatting codes so that, hey, all my text is now like 32 point bold and I can’t figure out how to make it go back to the normal font I was using.