It’s both unnecessary and actively unhelpful. And anti-Semitism exists across the spectrum, sure, but it’s the right wingers who shoot at and kill Jews mostly. The lefties just write manifestos.
Replace “Jews” with “Israel” and you might have a point. The meta point about all of this is the conflation of Judaism with Israel, more specifically Israeli policies. That’s the entire sticking point.
ICC wants to open ‘war crimes’ investigation in West Bank and Gaza https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50871337
Mr Netanyahu described the announcement as an “outrageous decision”, saying: “The ICC only has jurisdiction over petitions submitted by sovereign states. But there has never been a Palestinian state.”
Pretty telling that your defense isn’t we didn’t do those things, but instead our victims lack the standing to be heard.
Sadly, all those years as Jews being a stateless people has made some Israelis less, not more, sympathetic to the Palestinians.
Guap
4365
Israel has become the Nazis of the middle east. They even use the same old tired arguements Hitler used with respect to “lebensraum”. What an incredibly sad irony.
Menzo
4366
The irony here is inescapable.
One Head of State indicted for corruption and the other impeached, sharing a stage.
I’m sure Trump’s presentation of a “peace plan” for the Middle East, side-by-side with Netanyahu with nobody from any other faction present, is going to go over swimingly. Anyone wanna bet it’s nothing more than Netanyahu’s hard-core position?
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was formally indicted on corruption charges Tuesday, just hours before he was set to meet President Donald Trump for the unveiling of the US administration’s long-anticipated Middle East plan.
jpinard
4367
I’m sure the peace plan involves government funded trump hotels and apartments.
Currently watching Tony effing Blair on BBC saying that the Palestinians should totally engage with this ‘plan’ and come to the negotiating table. Of course, he says, of course it’s a bad plan for them, but if they refuse to engage with it they will get nothing.
Is the Trump administration killing the two-state solution because they are evil or because they are stupid? It’s really quite hard to tell.
Why settle for one when you can have both?
Aceris
4371
Jesus wept.
And yeah, they are both evil and stupid, but in this case they just don’t care that the Palestinians hate it - they want to say there is a “solution”, declare victory, and carte blanche whatever awfulness Netanyahu wants to do. So I guess I come down on the evil side.
Panzeh
4372
Yeah, essentially the offer doesn’t give the PA any more authority than it already has- to cooperate in IDF security.
Who are they trying to kid here?
This part is hilarious:
Yes, this is totally going to happen, guys, the Negev desert will suddenly sprout high-tech industry and residential areas- also we’re going to build the longest road tunnel ever so that no filthy Palestinian truck will ever touch Israeli soil
About half of the document is blather like this:
SlyFrog
4373
I mean it could. Maybe they’ll even play string quintets in the courtyard of the manufacturing complex.
So now we are ENCOURAGING the Palestinians to dig tunnels?
People are defending the notion that the plan is one-sided in the extreme by saying that there isn’t anything wrong with one side starting a negotiation by making an extreme proposal. Of course what’s happened here is that the allegedly neutral arbiter is the one making the extreme proposal on behalf of and in consultation with only one side.
While a normal negotiation might involve the opening bid being whittled down by objections from the other party, in this case the judge has already endorsed the opening bid, and the preferred party won’t have any incentive to give anything. Indeed, no imaginable government of Israel could agree to less than what the US has endorsed and survive as a government.
Arguably, the last time there were serious, actual negotiations between Israel and a hostile party on anything approaching equal terms was when Begin and Sadat negotiated in the aftermath of the 1973 war. Since then, it’s been downhill. Maybe the Oslo process was something of a partial exception, points for good intent and all. But other than that, ick.
Ex-SWoo
4377
I’m not a fan of the proposal but to me feels like the status quo is a slow & steady encroaching of Palestinian lands by Israeli homesteaders and the like, with the global community verbally complaining but not really putting any real pressure on Israel to stop. Unless Palestinians can get some strong backing from some powerful countries soon, they’ll need to seriously consider a proposal like the one thrown about here if they want any form of an autonomous state.
Panzeh
4378
It’s not really an autonomous state, though- it would have about as much authority as a zoning committee. The PA in the west bank is already doing the security cooperation bandied about in the proposal(mostly because the current drip of aid it gets is contingent on it).
Ex-SWoo
4379
I get it - and it’s definitely too extreme of a solution for it be realistic solution at the moment…but I also feel like we are only 20 or so years away from a solution like this looking like a best case scenario for Palastine unless the current geopolitical situation changes
I’m having a kind of bad, negative reaction to this view. How is it different than e.g. Chamberlain telling Czechoslovakia to lay down and let Hitler take over? He probably even said to them look, you don’t have any serious backing from any powerful countries, chaps, so you need to seriously consider a proposal like the Chanceller’s.
