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Migratory peoples often have permanent structures that are not continuously occupied year round but are nonetheless permanent year over year. These structures are often used as the migratory peoples pass through on their cyclical travels, which can correspond to the seasons, animal breeding times and so forth. These structures can include corrals for animals, storage facilities, tool sheds, buildings in which to practice animal husbandry and other necessary trades, etc. It’s a mistake to think of migratory peoples as completely lacking in permanent infrastructure - they have it, but just not as continuously as sedentary populations.

Info courtesy of my 35 year old memory of a class on Central Asian History, but I’m pretty sure it’s right.

Ah, here’s a wiki link describing the type of nomadism I’m talking about: Transhumance nomadism which I believe applies to at least some Bedouin populations. This is distinct from the more mobile pastoral nomadism that is found in the more fertile steppes. Basically, in the areas with climate extremes like deserts, it makes sense for the nomads to migrate seasonally, to cooler climes in the summer and warmer climes in the winter, and they often have fixed pastures and fixed facilities to accommodate their animal industries at those various locations.

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I don’t believe this was the case here, as described, which talked about the structures being destroyed as being tents and animal pens.

This is somewhat moot though, as I’m not saying it was cool that they were destroyed.

4583

You mean, the village where they set up solar panels, and had over 70 structures?

4584

Yeah, like I said, the structures were described as tents and animal pens.

This source, which is explicitly Zionist, so you can take with a grain of salt, had satellite photos of the area in question.

As recently as 2009, there was literally nothing there. Again, this area has been designated as a live fire zone by the IDF for training, going back to the 1970s. The Palestinians in question did not have deep ties to this particular parcel of land.

Here’s a video showing that village. You can see, there really isn’t much there at all.

4585

If Americans Knew is a source you are happy using? Trusting not to spread fake news?

The group denounced by Jewish Voice For Peace (hardly zionists themselves)?

4586

You know, Timex, as an Israeli who grew up (and worked with them) in the bedouin packed southern part of the country, they are no longer nomadic. They may live in tents and tin houses, but they no longer migrate. The borders that were open last century to egypt and jordan are closed and do not allow the passage they were used to.

Where they currently are at is where they’ll stay. There’s been some effort to build them permanent settlements, but it’s a drop in the sea to their needs. And obviously they’re not being very accommodating to the half hearted overtures being made by the goverment.

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It’s NPR. You might not realize it, but National Public Radio is a very good source. It’s up their BBC, for the most part.

It’s part of those ‘Western’ sources you were talking about Earlier.

The fact of the matter is, regions and areas of value of being taken by the Israeli Regime, and away from people already living there.

In a short time, I am sure the Israelis Government will be happy to set up Reservations for them. Maybe even give them some blankets for the walk over there. That seems to be the type of thing these conflicts lead to.

4588

This seems to be what is doing it for American Democrats, and really , you may just need one party to break on this.

Honestly, at this point given the domestic stuff , I don’t consider Israel good at all. They’re no better than Hamas at this point to me, and we need to dump Israel.

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When I was in Jordan and Israel, the Bedouin encampments had satellite dishes, too, so they certainly are not luddites.

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That’s interesting information, although the satellite photos suggest that if they are permanently on that location, it’s a fairly recent occurrence, as there’s recent satellite photos of the area having no structures at all, so the claim that they’ve lived there for 50 years is observably false.

They actually lost a case (two, in fact) in the Israeli Supreme Court, because their structures were “temporary, seasonal structures”. The video I posted from a few years back suggests that the claim of “the IDF destroyed 70 structures” is likely hyperbolic, unless you are being extremely liberal with what constitutes a structure.

4592

This is big. Basically it says that either Israeli intelligence screwed up, or that Israeli military is purposefully trying to remove news agencies and/or intimidate journalists.

In either case, this is definitely another black mark against the Regime.

Heck, even if it was an intelligence screw up,the fact that the military is willing to destroy news organizations headquarters in the region shows how little respect they have for a free press and journalism. I am really concerned that Israel might be a rogue nation.

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No, “Israel Palestine News” is not NPR. NPR is NPR. “Israel Palestine News” is produced by If Americans Knew. I thought it was obvious I was talking about tthe link that fitted my description and not the other one.

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Considering only 2 people clicked on the link, I very much doubt you looked at the article at all, but I am annoyed that the words ‘NPR’ on the article, which is blindingly obviously to anyone that can read the English Language is somehow beyond you.

Honestly, if you are going to make things up, do a better job.

Honestly, does anyone actually read the links provided other then me? Am I wasting time, reading the stuff that others provide me, if they won’t show the same respect?

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All it says is that Blinken himself has not seen the evidence. Israel was on a call with Biden and other intelligence folks and apparently gave them information on Hamas in that building.

I guess it’s possible that they lied, and they didn’t actually present such evidence, but it seems like Biden’s administration would likely call them out on that.

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You are either extremely dishonest and think you can get away with it because people don’t pay attention, or you dont remember your own fucking post.

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Nice how you quote everything except the NPR article that I posted first @Aceris, the one I’m obviously quoting.

Truly, if you ever move to the US, you should apply for a job at Fox News. You would fit right in.

4598

Dude, relax

4599

No, I responded to the post with two links in criticising your link to an IAK site.

Then when you mentioned NPR replying to that I said I was talkin about the IAK link. I made it clear I was talking about that one and not the other one. The use of the word “other” should have clued you in to the fact there were two links.

You responded once again, condescendingly, accusing me of not reading the link and not showing respect. I then quoted your link to IAK (let’s remember, an antisemitic group).

Now you say you are “obviously quoting” the NPR link - I have no idea what that means. I’ve said nothing about the NPR link. @Timex is the one who has a problem with the reporting on the Bedouin eviction. I was talking about you linking to an antisemitic site. When you became confused I quoted your link to a antisemitic site. But you have decided to try and pretend that that didn’t happen despite the quote of you doing it.

You could have just said “Ooops, you are right, I shouldn’t trust or use that source”. But you didn’t.

I think this is the point where I stop talking to you and let the readers draw their own conclusions as to your character and conduct.

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What is your success rate with this statement causing someone to actually relax? :)

E: Just posting in good fun.