Panzeh
4721
The IDF is a terrorist organization with billion dollar munitions. You believe that firing less accurate munitions means your cause is invalid. Targeting civilians is ok for the IDF(and you credulously believe every ounce of IDF PR on their targeting) but Hamas firing rockets in return against Israeli aggression is ‘terrorism’.
You’re a shill, and there’s no point continuing. You completely ignore my argument and make up shit(Hamas confirming and complaining).
Timex
4722
Firing targets into the center of civilian populations, when you have no ability to target specific buildings, is not simply using less accurate munitions. It’s firing weapons with the implicit goal of killing civilians.
You are attempting to present an entirely nonsensical argument that Hamas is firing those weapons with the goal of hitting military targets, apparently because there is some vanishingly small chance that might actually happen.
Ah yes, I’m making up that Hamas has confirmed that the IDF has killed many of its leaders.
You aren’t making any competent arguments. You’re just spouting poorly informed nonsense that makes no logical sense.
Panzeh
4723
Well, your evidence that they’re not targeting civilians is this, a vague assessment that some targets got hit.
You don’t really have any logic yourself. Some hamas leaders got killed in the strikes, thusly every strike was justified. In this case, all Hamas would have to do is say an IDF reservist died and then all of their strikes would be justified.
You’re basically saying that if you have a billion dollar PR arm and arms industry, you’re free to target whatever you want, go hog wild.
To get completely sidetracked, but anyone get to the bottom of this>
Timex
4725
Is this argument making sense in your own head when you type it?
If Israel wanted to explicitly target civilians, why aren’t they killing WAY more of them?
Hamas is attempting to kill far more Isareli civilians than they are, they’re just failing because of Israel’s defensive systems.
Why isn’t Israel engaging in the same type of saturation bombing of Gaza? If, as you suggest, they have the same disregard for civilian life as Hamas, why are they bothering to employ precision munitions against specific targets? Targets which Hamas then confirms we hit, including their high level leadership?
You’re suggesting that Hamas is targeting IDF military targets, despite the fact that they literally lack the ability to be doing so with the thousands of missiles being fired into Israeli population centers… and yet you are simultaneously denying that the IDF is targeting Hamas military targets, despite the fact that they are actually hitting Hamas military targets that we can confirm, based on Hamas’ own public statements.
Man, you’ve got a lot of faith in luck, dude… Hamas is apparently banking their entire military strategy on winning the lottery and hitting military targets via luck… and Israel is randomly firing precision guided missiles and happening to hit high level military leaders via luck. Amazing!
Panzeh
4726
If you think every IDF strike hits a military target, we’re done here. You’re too credulous to have a discussion with.
Panzeh
4727
I haven’t heard anything much new on this, it’s somewhat unlikely that we’ll get any kind of specifics on what the IDF meant by ‘Hamas intelligence activity’ as that could mean a number of things. I tend to think if it was a real obvious smoking gun target, it’d have been ‘leaked’ by now.
magnet
4728
Killing a civilian out of indifference to collateral damage is no better than killing a civilian intentionally.
Timex
4729
In the case of the IDF, if they were truly indifferent to collateral damage, then they wouldn’t deploy things like roof knockers or inform civilians of strikes prior to them happening.
I do think this is a point that’s largely missed but so starkly contrasts Hamas versus the IDF. The IDF uses phone calls, social media, and other public warnings, knowing they will cause Hamas personnel to be missed in a strike, to prevent civilian causalities. Hamas gives no warnings to individuals they are attacking and are directly attacking civilian settlements, like Ashkelon in southern Israel. On the one hand you have the IDF willing to lose out on hitting military targets to protect civilians, on the other you have Hamas targeting civilian population areas with no warning.
Was this home in Ashkelon a military target? Were they targeting an Indian woman providing in home care to an elderly woman and if so for what military reasons? What military asset is being targeted when Hamas sends hundreds of rockets to the town of Ashkelon?
The rocket blasted its way through the front wall of the one-story home, leaving behind a jumble of broken plaster, glass, furniture and an overturned red walker. It was one of about 200 fired from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel in the span of an hour on Tuesday afternoon. Two women were killed in Ashkelon, including Soumy Santhosh, 32, of Cochin, India, who lived and worked as a caretaker for an elderly Israeli woman in the badly damaged home.
What I love about this comment is you are shilling for a terrorist organization that publicly calls for Palestinians to decapitate “Jews” (not zionists, not IDF) at the same time you are calling other people shills!
Canuck
4732
When did Israel become so strategically important to the US? I’m not even sure that “strategic” is the right word here. Has it been this way since Israel was declared a state?
Timex
4733
It’s been in place since Israelis creation, but it actually here over time.
Israel is the only democratic government in the middle east, and it’s also the strongest military power in the region.
It used to be that the US contributed a significant chunk of Israel’s military budget, but at this point US aid is actually less than 1% of their budget. On their own, Israel is a dominant force on the region, so they’re a good friend to have.
Looking like Bibi will be out of power, and most likely headed to prison eventually.
ShivaX
4735
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And that was more a proxy war with the Soviets really (Arab nations were mostly supplied by the Soviets, Israel by the West/US). Then Carter did the peace thing and we became wholly invested.
Evangelicals have always had a hard on for Israel because they need it for their Apocalypse Cult, so the pandering has always been there to some extent, but 9/11 pretty much made it a permanent thing.
Also both parties generally get in on it. There is very little blowback. Evangelicals (GOP base) and Jewish Americans (Democratic base) both tend to favor it. It’s not like we’re sending troops or anything anymore, just some spare change relatively speaking.
Lamalo
4736
Fuck, yeah. About damn time. Though I still harbor very serious doubts anything will come of it and we’re heading for yet another elections soon enough.
ShivaX
4737
He’s the longest running PM of Israel and I think I’ve heard he’s getting booted every year of that run.
So, yeah, I’ll believe it when I see it. I’d say the odds are better this time, but that, ultimately, means fuck all.
Your wrangling in trying to equate the IDF goals and methods with those of Hamas are impressive. I’d tell you to go educate yourself and read beyond what FB feeds you based on your existing opinions, but you’re obviously not arguing in good faith here.
