What a nightmare, Lamalo. Stay safe, as much as you can.
Exactly; Israel’s policy such as it is seems to be perpetual warfare.
How many war crimes can Israel get away with? Yet another targeted assassination of the press (both they and their car were press labeled).
It was already the deadliest war for journalists in modern times(and I’d presume ever) months ago.
Also we have to keep in mind that what stands out that journalists (and often their famillies) keep getting hit with precision weapons. These aren’t errors. I don’t know if there will be a reckoning here but it is impossible to neutrally say that Israel isn’t almost certainly committing war crimes. There is also a strong circumstantial case that they are killing journalists to cover up their war crimes. It’s appalling.
Yeah it’s one thing when a journalist is in an area and is collateral damage from a bomb (still bad btw).
It’s a completely different thing when the IDF tracks them for miles and specifically takes them out.
And there seems to be no limit to what the US will accept. Our politicians–I won’t say “leaders,” because they aren’t leading–are so petrified of losing out on the gravy train that they refuse to challenge the Israeli lobby.
I think it is going to take a full-on political revolt by the majority of American Jews to reject this version of Israel entirely, and I don’t think that’s likely. There are too many years of too much internalized identification with Israel, that even the vast divergence between what we thought it was and what it really has become can’t penetrate the reflexive support for Israel.
There is a full-on revolt, but young American Jews. There’s a massive age gap in how this war is perceived.
Which kind of seems algorithmically-driven to me.
The problem there is that young folks don’t yet have much political traction, and the entrenched, older, AIPAC types do.
And those of us who are older Jews who also are more or less in revolt are easily marginalized or demonized, sadly enough.
I know. Having this conversation with someone who used to be here as well, in addition to my contacts in the local community.
You’re entirely right.
If you read the article, there’s a video 2/3 of the way down. The kid is clearly in shock and had some kind of major mental abuse. Like his eyes are going to pop out of his head.
There is some truth here. However, this is because social media is the main conduit of information about what is actually happening. Yes it is driven by an algorithm but still they are seeing what actually is happening in some focused way versus the way Israeli atrocities are generally being whitewashed or censored by the media here.
Or when they hit their houses which has happened over and over and over and over. Dozens of journalists and their families have been killed in their homes. It’s no accident.
And a shitload of Evangelicals will support Israel no matter what it does.
This is also one of the things on my “Top Ten Things That Make Me Want To Explode” list. I first ran into this in my first stint in grad school, at Virginia in the early 1980s. Ran into this guy who was a die-hard Baptist, fundamentalist, evangelical type from the South…who was the biggest Israel fan-boy I’ve ever known. And it turned out that, yep, it had zero to do with knowing anything about Israel, or Jews, or anything like that. It was all some mumbo-jumbo about Revelations and Armageddon and the armies of Satan and weird-ass shit like that.
Exactly. I think @abrandt is a consummate optimist (which I always admire) if he thinks he’s gonna persuade those guys with attacks on churches and Christians.
More realistic Christians though, maybe.
Why thank you
I don’t think those are the guys that are persuadable, to be clear. But I also don’t think the people who support Israel for the Armageddon stuff are actually the majority of Evangelicals let alone American Christians.
They are way more than you think. I grew up in a church that explicitly framed it that way, and we were not unique in the least.
In fact in_would_ say it is a majority of evangelicals, though not the only reason or the one they say in polite company.
And maybe it’s just where we draw the line about what we’re talking about. There are those who support Israel existing for Biblical reasons and then a spectrum up to those who support specific conflicts and encouraging rebuilding of the temple to try to bring about their interpretation of Revelation. I’d guess the former views have a majority but not the latter. The Evangelical net is pretty wide beyond just the stereotypical southern fundamentalists.