2926

I for one applaud what Nvidia is doing, and rebellious criminals like HardOCP should be punished. Glory to Nvidia!

2927

Ah, $599 founders now, or $499 for the regular version, at some point in the near future. Expensive!

1070 Ti seems like the deal of 2018.

2928

nVidia are pretty consistent bad actors. They make good hardware which should speak for itself, but they never seem able to resist their anti-consumer, anti-competitive, unethical impulses. It’s the reason I refuse to buy their cards.

2929

HardOCP compared it to a factory overclocked 1080, so that’s fair.

When HardOCP contacted Nvidia about getting RTX samples, they were told they would get them if they signed the NDA. They had a lawyer look at it, and it was pretty off the wall stuff in terms of media control, so they didn’t sign it and instead sourced the card themselves.

Keep in mind that every other outlet reviewing RTX hardware did sign that NDA.

Nvidia is in a dominant position in the market, and they’re flexing their muscles.

2930

I think someone in this topic asked about pre-builds and the new cards, so I am putting this here. This is from Slickdeals.

$1643

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I have not used this company before, but they frequently come up on deal sites.

2931

All the other reviews for the 2070 are out now. Looks to be around 10-15% slower than a 1080ti at stock and 5-10% slower when overclocked. I’m leaning towards the 2080 if I do upgrade this round.

2932

I don’t go there often, but historically I’ve always thought they were one of the better, more through review sites and tend to rate their opinion relatively high.

2933

I’ve read HardOCP for over a decade, they’re great. Popularity fading these days as more of it moves to YouTube and such, but still certainly legitimate.

As for the 2070, I basically think this generation is going to be seen as a failure. Nvidia would really bleed if AMD was capable of competition.

2934

Yep the more performance numbers and prices I see for the RTX20xx cards the more bitter I become.

If the RTX2080ti was released as a RTX2080 @ $900 and the other cards then fall in line, I think the consensus would have been it is a great generation.

AMD get off your ass and do something. :|

October is over in 2 weeks and still no DLSS or RTX capable games available.

2935

Yes, that would have been appropriate. The 2070 should be as fast as a 1080ti and cost about $400. That’s what everybody expected based on pricing and performance in previous generations. Instead, they have their VALUE card priced at $600.

2936

At this point I expect the 2060 to launch at $400.

2937

Yep, and I am betting with no RTX or DLSS, I wonder if they are doing a dedicated chip for it.

2938

Like Mr. Bauman would say when arms were getting strong… “Can I quote you on that?”

2939

I’m sitting tight until AMD brings the fight. The price/performance of this generation is abysmal and there won’t be enough games to take advantage of ray tracing for me to give a shit before the 3000-series is out.

2940

They’re likely to be binned versions of the 2070 chips.

Nvidia really needs to have the RTX features in a sub-$500 card in order to gain anything resembling widespread adoption.

2941

Even the 2080 or the 2080ti (they didn’t specify which it was) can barely handle 1080p gaming at 60fps with ray-tracing on. The odds of the 2070 and below doing it seem slim. DLSS sure, raytracing no.

2942

That’s based on early demos though. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that we won’t know for a while yet if those demos were indicative of what to expect performance-wise.

2943

I guess there’s a bunch of stuff you could do to limit the number of rays you need to calculate. Decrease the raytracing resolution, to use what’s probably the wrong terminology. Like you said, we just don’t know yet. That encapsulates a lot of why the 20 series is problematic.

2944
2945

Probably will see very limited use in most frames this generation due to performance issues, but it’ll evangelize it to devs and each subsequent future gen will allow for greater use and better effects. Reminds me of the original GeForce and its T&L support.