4091

No, Nvidia’s smart, they will charge whatever the market will bear. They know PC gaming is a different beast.

4092

Don’t worry, AMD will surely capitalize on any overpricing and take Nvidia’s lunch money. Right? Guys…?

4093

Well they did it with the CPUs…

4094

Their GPUs are still hotter louder bigger and slower though. Even before considering software support.

4095

Yeah I don’t have an AMD GPU this time around, just… you know, saying they did okay in the other field.

4096

Yep, hopefully the GPU business can similarly turn around. Their CPUs were woefully outperformed for a long, long, time before being competitive again. Hopefully it doesn’t take that long here.

4097

Well…I think they simply don’t have the resources to be competitive in both GPUs and CPUs at the same time.

when AMD’s CPUs were getting their asses beat by C2Ds and then the i3/i5/i7 lines post-Sandy Bridge their GPUs were excellent in the midrange. IIRC the 4xxx/5xxx/7xxx series from 2008 - 2013 had legendary bang for buck.

AMD poured resources in getting out of the Bulldozer sinkhole on the CPU side and their GPUs fell off hard in the past 5 years, especially in GPU compute and power consumption. Meanwhile their resources dumped into CPUs in that timeframe has payed off now.

4098

Good points. Though right now I do have hope on the GPU side because of next gen consoles. Apparently they are developing hardware Ray tracing for PS5 and XB2, so hopefully the PC side of that, when it comes out, will be a good, competitive product.

4099

ATI/AMD can surprise you. Usually they fall way behind but sometimes they come up with a 9700pro or 5850 and own the world. Just hasn’t happened recently.

4100

AMD GPU’s aren’t competitive right now, but heck if you wind up with a 500 dollar machine with their CPU and one of the GPUs… still not a terrible machine to have and game on.

4101

The new 5500XT 4GB isn’t bad for 1080p, and with the new drivers the 5700XT is almost as fast as a 2070 Super for $100 less, just without ray-tracing or hardware G-sync support. There’s an argument to be made for both cards.

4102

Yeah so if someone told me they had like a 500 or 600 dollar budget, the AMD machines in that range aren’t terrible and if someone has a 600 dollar budget for their rid, they’re not likely to have a 32inch 4K monitor so… they’d be in great shape even with out nVidia.

It’s a great moment for cheap desktops that can game.

4103

Even without a g-sync monitor I would probably buy a 1660S over the 5500XT, but that’s a bit more expensive, so it isn’t an immediately obvious choice if you’re on a tight budget.

The 2070 Super is just a plain bad buy right now, until Nvidia drops its price.

4104

You’re not that limited on budget if you are throwing out 250 for a 1660; I think that’s the card you’re talking about. When I said 500/650 for the full machine, I meant it. There are pre-built rigs often with 5700XT’s in them that will do just fine if that’s the budget… as in done, no more money. Once you start throwing Nvidia stuff in there it starts getting closer to 700/800+. But again someone with a good processor and a 5700XT… they’re going to be able to game, and game pretty well.

4105

The 1660S 6GB costs $230; the 5500XT 4GB is $170 MSRP, and the 5500XT 8GB is $200 MSRP. They’re all really close in price, but the 1660S is a much faster card. Depends on price sensitivity.

Also it remains to be seen if the 5500XTs actually sell at MSRP at launch. They may be higher.

4106

Okay. Just to be clear.

I am talking about pre-built… systems, not individual cards. And since I have been looking at systems for awhile, I have a general idea of what the under 700 set-ups look like. It’s not those. Once you throw in the nvidia cards, the systems go up quite quickly in price, and it has nothing to do with whether or not the prices of the cards are close.

So yeah if you want an under 700 system without a crappy CPU, it’s most likely going to be a 5700XT… and that will be just fine paired with a good CPU.

4107

You could build it much cheaper yourself, but sure.

4108

There are a lot of people who will not ever build a system, and most the time, no. You’re not going to be able to piece together even a Ryzen 3600 with with a cheap 50 dollar SSD plus any of these cards for under 600/700. I mean the OS is around 100 just by itself. The CPU is around… 200… that’s half right there for two pieces no GPU, no case, no PSU, no RAM and nearly all the desktops also throw in a HDD… no mobo.

4109

Edit: Oh you specified a Ryzen 3600. Well, no, not then. CPU doesn’t matter that much in gaming though, I would go for the better GPU and cheap on on the CPU in a budget build. The 2200G is an outstanding value. But you could slice $60 off going with a 5500XT 4GB.

Sure you can. Pretty nice little computer too.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $77.98 @ Walmart
Motherboard Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $76.98 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $74.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $59.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB MINI ITX OC Video Card $229.99 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master Elite 350 ATX Mid Tower Case w/500 W Power Supply $77.66 @ Walmart
Custom Win10 Pro key from Kinguin $23.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $620.59
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-12 20:57 EST-0500
4110

I would disagree, clearly, since the CPU is a pain in the ass to upgrade and you can upgrade the GPU any time you want also

…Kinguin that’s cheating.