4332

Solved! Thanks for the quick replies. Lol! It’s not like I’ve spent most of my career troubleshooting network issues and stuff. Good grief.

4333

That control panel message could be a little clearer and say not connected to monitor

4334

This is my guess too. Much easier to sell an streaming service if you don’t have to sell a box to go with it.

4335

Everybody is going to sell a box of some kind, but the idea is ultimately it’s just an app on a device or smart TV you already own.

4336

SOOO, does anybody have good educated guesses as to the release date & prices for the expected NVidia 30xx series?

Minecraft RTX is making me seriously consider a brain & video transplant for my 4-year-old i5 6600k + GTX 1080 FE home-built desktop. The i7 9700 + NVidia 2070 Super would be reasonable buys, but the rumors of a 30xx series with far better performance (ray tracing especially) give me pause.

Thanks,
Diego

4337

Nope. Not in today’s pandemic environment. No telling how supply chains could be affected. They were supposed to announce some stuff back in March. It went from a live event to online to nothing. I that doesn’t bode well.

4338

Good point I hadn’t considered. If they still thought they’d release hardware soon, then there would have been little PR downside to doing a virtual / online event.

4339

My expections are as follows.

3080ti: $1399, ~=2080ti + 20%
3080: $999, ~= 2080ti
3070: $699, ~=2080S
3060: $499, ~=2070S

That huge sucking sound you’re hearing is real.

Of course if AMD releases big Navi or Navi 2 at competitive prices and performance, Nvidia will bow down and match it. Since the 30-series will be on the 7nm process, Nvidia has a ton of margin to reduce prices if they need to. But they won’t, Navi 2 will offer 2080-class performance at best and not touch the higher tiers.

4340

At some point however, your midrange is competing against the consoles, which haven’t been a factor in like 7 years or so (when the midrange cost you ~$200)

The calculus of a full console that also outperforms a midrange GPU at the same price is one the GPU will not win.

4341

Multiply by 1.6x for Canadian prices.

4342

Wow. If those guesses turn out to be true (or near enough), then I’m probably better going ahead with the 2070S now. Waiting wouldn’t get me much more & I’d still be paying around $700 (unless I wanted to go BONKERS money for the high-end cards).

Diego

4343

All based on how Nvidia screwed everybody with the 20-series. But hey, maybe they’ll do the right thing this generation.

4344

NVidia claimed they were going to bring prices down on flagship and Ti variants this time. It’s rumored they will be cheaper to manufacture, but that was last year I read it so who knows.

EDIT: I think it was this https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidias-next-gen-ampere-graphics-cards-could-be-just-around-the-corner

The big sites are saying $1200 for the Ti cards, which is still more than I paid for my 1080 Ti by a good bit, so we’ll see. I don’t know if I need a new card - my 1080 Ti is getting me 60-144fps on everything release to date @1440p/Ultra and what more could I want? Ray Tracing? That better be technology worth $1200 then…

4345

Yes, since Nvidia didn’t drop their process with the 20-series that led to some really big chips, the 2080ti is a whopping 754mm2, the largest consumer GPU ever by a huge margin. Compare that to the 1080ti at 471 and the Vega 64 at 487. It is tremendously expensive to make for that reason.

Shrinking the process to 7nm will help a great deal. The 7nm 5700XT die is a mere 251mm2 and it offers similar performance to the 2070S at 545mm2. Although to be fair that isn’t apples/apples as the 2070S wastes a lot of space with RT cores, but it’s the closest we can get. That gives you some sort of comparison-- smaller chips are dramatically cheaper to make.

There actually was some justification for the 2080ti being so expensive, given what it actually was. Problem was if they didn’t waste a ton of space on RT cores it could have been the same speed in non-RT games and much smaller-- or the same size and just dramatically faster at rasterization.

IMO, DLSS 2.0 is probably worth an upgrade if you want to game at 4k, and next-gen consoles all support ray-tracing so that will finally start offering real value in 2021.

4346

It really is going to be interesting to see what price/performance looks like this generation. Nvidia gouged like crazy with the 20-series, but then I feel like everyone has been gouging like crazy – I mean the Galaxy S20+ is what… $1200? $1400 if you want to get the Ultra? Yikes.

Anyway, this is a different world now. For starters, those consoles are looking like they’re going to have a pretty good amount of horsepower. That’ll likely come at a cost, but how much? I’m very curious to see what price point they ship at because I think it could have an impact on what Nvidia can sell their GPUs for. Even as a die hard PC gamer, if I was looking to upgrade and the cost of a new console was less than just the GPU? And the performance was pretty dang good at 4K? I might just opt for the console instead. I don’t know what kind of impact it will have on price, just something that I think could potentially have one.

Second, we’re dealing with a pandemic and the economic devastation it’s leaving its wake. $1000+ for a GPU looks a lot different to me now than it did two years ago, and I balked at it then. Can Nvidia roll out cards at those obscene price points in today’s economic climate? I don’t know.

Not sure how any of this will play out, I’m not a subject matter expert. It just seems to me there are some real big factors in play in 2020 that weren’t there when Nvidia launched the initial RTX cards.

4347

$1000+ GPUs were never a mass-market product, and I have a hunch that the people who could afford them last gen can still afford them this gen.

The squeeze will happen at the cards under $400.

4348

Lots of people could afford them. I could afford to buy a $1200 GPU no problem. It’s just outrageous and I won’t pay it, would feel like a sucker.

4349

I could afford it last gen but I refused to pay it because… it was a ridiculous. They went nuts with the price, so screw them. They keep doing it, there are new consoles to be had instead.

4350

I just bought a desktop GPU for the first time in over a decade so expect prices to plummet oil style.

I am calling the 3080 TI OC Founders Super selling for $-150.

4351

Sounds good to me, I’m ready to upgrade, but I refuse to buy a $699 sidegrade to the 2080S. If they want my $699 it needs to offer 2080ti performance or better.