When do the next generation GPUs drop?

[stusser]

Definitely do it, if you have another card to hold you over until probably early October.

[KevinC]

Oh man, I would jump on that, absolutely. You can probably take that $900 and easily roll it into a new card with better performance (especially with regards to raytracing and such) in a couple months.

No way would I be dropping $900 for a new 2080ti right now, let alone used!!!

[stusser]

I wouldn’t buy a 2080ti for over $500 right now, personally. My guess is the 3070 will come in at $499 and offer probably 5-10% slower rasterization and double the ray-tracing performance of the 2080ti.

[mono]

Local sale too! So no shipping or Paypal fees. Sorry to derail the thread w/ this. :)

[lordkosc]

I’d probably sell my RTX2080(non-ti) before October, if I had any kind of decent card in reserve, my only backup card is a GTX260 in my ancient basement pc.

[TimJames]

We should all sell our graphics cards to each other so everyone has a decent backup card relative to what they had before.

[DeepT]

@stusser

My guess is the 3070 will come in at $499

If that is the price, then considering recent cards, that would be difficult to say no to. I wonder what size power supply I put into my box. I also wonder how much my box draws, as in, how much spare wattage do I have?

I looked my power-supply up and its 650 watts, so I guess that is plenty of power for a 300 watt card.

[Misguided]

@stusser

My guess is the 3070 will come in at $499 and offer probably 5-10% slower rasterization and double the ray-tracing performance of the 2080ti.

I’d be thrilled with that.

[Thraeg]

Huh, maybe I’ll sell my 2080 Ti now too. Have any of the leaks mentioned whether the new cards will support HDMI 2.1? Being able to go above 60Hz at 4K would be really nice.

[lordkosc]

@stusser

My guess is the 3070 will come in at $499 and offer probably 5-10% slower rasterization and double the ray-tracing performance of the 2080ti.

There are gonna be a lot of salty 2080ti owners who paid well in excess of $1k for their cards, if that is the case. :P

@stusser the RTX cores side of the card is what handles DLSS , if I recall correctly?

[Brad_Grenz]

@Papageno

Has AMD lived down its reputation of yore for having flaky drivers? Because all the cool tech specs in the world don’t overcome that if it’s still the case.

AMD drivers have been fine for like 15 years.

@stusser

Well, it will indirectly help them because Sony and MS funded R&D of new technology like hardware texture decompression and treating very fast SSDs like level 2 system RAM, assuming their agreements don’t restrict them to using that IP only for Sony/MS, they could have been forced into clean rooms for each semi-custom SoC.

Other than that stuff, both red and green have to support fully documented APIs on Windows so there’s very little shenanigans going on there, only performance differences, but both run with DirectX and Vulkan.

I think AMD will have an answer to texture decompression and the SSD as L2 RAM stuff.

The memory mapped SSD stuff in the consoles is probably largely based on AMD’s HBCC tech which already allowed them to build workstation cards that had built in SSDs used as L2 VRAM. I think AMD and nVidia are more limited by when MS will bring DirectStorage over to Windows to enable a lot of these features.

@lordkosc

the RTX cores side of the card is what handles DLSS , if I recall correctly?

DLSS 2.0 uses the Tensor cores. Previous versions just ran on the regular shaders.

[stusser]

Not that I can recall but I’d be surprised if they don’t support HDMI 2.1.

AMD drivers were notoriously terrible for Navi at launch. Really, really bad.

Yep DLSS uses the tensor cores not RT cores.

[DeepT]

@Brad_Grenz

AMD drivers have been fine for like 15 years.

I google search of “are amd drivers still bad” yields plenty of results of people bitching about how shitty their drivers are from 2020 to 2018 on the first page.

[Cormac]

Yep, I was about to buy the 5700xt but then read sooo many bad reports of driver issues, I decided to go with a nvidia after all.

[Brad_Grenz]

You can google and find plenty of people complaining about nVidia driver problems, too. And those complaints won’t be people repeating something they heard 20 years ago.

[LockerK]

@Brad_Grenz

AMD drivers have been fine for like 15 years.

lol45

[Scotch_Lufkin]

I tend to believe the market values, and the adage “you get what you pay for” based on my personal experience.

[fdsaion]

Ah yes, a return rate 5x that of Nvidia in retail channels due to unreplicatable problems is not driver issues

https://www.techspot.com/news/84005-gamers-ditching-radeon-graphics-cards-over-driver-issues.html

We’ve also spoken with a few retailers to see if they’re seeing issues with 5700 XT boards and we’ve received some interesting reports. Basically the return rate for 5700 XT’s is more than 5x that of competing Nvidia products and when they get these systems back with various reported issues, they’re unable to replicate them due to their random nature.

[Scotch_Lufkin]

@stusser

Latest rumors suggest AMD may be very competitive this cycle.

Where did these rumors surface from? AMD themselves? That seems strange. On their forum, or on some AMD web page?

[stusser]

Yes, AMD themselves to random YouTubers who are considered fairly reputable (for rumor mongering, anyway). This guy in particular.

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