5592

I would have been happy with the 1080 → 2080Ti performance jump were it not for the cost so the 3080 continues to look like the card for me.

5593

Yes, if the 2080ti had been called the 2080 and cost $700 it would have been a successful generation.

5594

I’ve had this same thought before. It’s wild to me they didn’t do this, honestly. About a year after I had my 1080Ti and the 2080Ti had been out for some time, I looked into maybe picking one up (for the ray tracing mostly) and was shocked to my core to see it was an $1100+ card, for (at the time, at least) fairly little gains in terms of performance. I assume it’s due to how expensive those chips were to manufacture.

5595

Well yes they were huge chips, but the real problem was Nvidia made a bet on ray-tracing that didn’t pan out, so the chips were huge yet that extra die space didn’t really help out in games. And they were priced accordingly because AMD was completely non-competitive.

5596

Makes sense. I have up until now completely ignored Ray Tracing. I’ve only wished I had access to it a few times, such as Metro, most of the existing Ray Tracing games aren’t something really on my radar (Control, also, probably at some point) so I’m hoping that between these cards, more affordable cards coming down the line, and the consoles we start seeing a huge uptick in games that take advantage of the feature. Same with DLSS, sounds like, in terms of “we want to see more games use this”.

5597

I know DLSS support was limited but I believe now it can support non-standard ratios like 21:9, is that right? I have a 3440x1440 ultrawide and when DLSS first came out it made the tech a non-factor for me, but I believe that has changed?

5598

There were ways of fudging it with ultrawide even in 1.0 but now it just works as far as I can tell.

5599

It’s interesting that the numbers are pretty similar between 1440p and DLSS+RTX. You can pick either the pure resolution or get to see the RTX effects for the same framerate. At least for games that support DLSS.

5600

B&H had a couple of Asus Tuf 3080 cards (more or less stock FE speeds) up for pre-order a few hours ago. At $799. I had one a click from checkout this morning, but I backed out. I’ll take my chances as release day nears for a $700 card.

5601

Really? I thought the RTX gains were supposed to be bigger than that? Maybe once drivers mature.

5602

At 4K having DLSS on vs off was a nearly 20fps difference, I’d say that’s pretty significant.

5603

Sorry. Typo. Meant I thought rtx improvement was supposed to be bigger. Expecting that kind of increase in raw performance and a bigger one with rtx enabled.

5604

Yep, RT is supposed to cause a much smaller hit with the 30-series.

5605

To be clear, RTX still takes resources so I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect things to be faster with RTX enabled. In this case, we still see a whopping 20fps difference between the 2080Ti and the 3080 - I don’t know if Shadows of the Tomb Raider was tested with RTX on but if it was, it’s still quite a bit faster with a 3080 vs. a 2080 Ti.

Non DLSS:
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What we don’t see is these numbers with RTX off to compare. For example, it might look like this:

3080 - 105
2080Ti - 90

I pulled these numbers out of my ass, but you see what I mean. A bigger jump in performance with RTX off for the 2080Ti than the 3080, because it cares less about RTX being on.

5606

Not faster, but a bigger performance gap between 3080 and 2080ti with rtx enabled is what I would have expected, because of reduced rtx overhead as Stusser said.

5607

Need to wait for full benchmarks of course, but 3080 pretty much seems like a standard 20-30% generational bump, and RTX gains, even if they’re twice as good, are disappointing. Absolutely a great card for $700, but coming from the 2080 Ti, I’m not expecting my socks to be knocked off.

5608

Yes, it offers the price/performance gains we expect to see every generation and didn’t get with Turing. The 30-series isn’t amazing, or transformative, or extraordinary. It’s what we’re supposed to get every 2-3 years.

5609

And it’s back to a, by Nvidia standards, reasonable price. That’s kind of the point here. It’s “only” 30% faster than a card that costs nearly twice as much.

5610

Whats the difference between the 2080 and the 3080?
Everyone keeps talking about the leap from the 2080ti.
But the 3080 isn’t replacing the 2080ti, its replacing the 2080(s). So what are we looking at? 50%-60% improvement?

5611

Unless something’s real weird in the reviews, I can’t imagine not wanting to upgrade from my launch 1070. I might even go for a 1080.