Sorry man, this whole thing blows!

You guys need to just wait to see the AMD cards at this point.

We’ll see.

They certainly are making it easier for me to wait for AMD

I try to take it philosophically, I had the script running and the discord and twitter notifications running, so I knew I would get it eventually. Sure it was frustrating, but you just need to stay out of your own head on stuff like this.

Ampere was a historically bad launch, so AMD is likely to do better.

Also lots of people looking to upgrade will have 3080s already, given the two month gap.

A lot can be extrapolated from the fact that AMD is powering both Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5, and Microsoft and Sony have both publicly announced details like number of compute units, clock speeds, die sizes, etc. Based on those numbers alone, the PS5 and Xbox Series X would compare to about a 2080 and 2080 Super. We also know their dies are sharing space with 8 CPU cores.

The real wild card is just how good is RDNA2. It’s supposed to be a lot more efficient per watt than RDNA1. MS and Sony have not been allowed to discuss that. We won’t know until the announcement.

So what happens if you take that same tech, put it on a larger die, not worry about adding CPU cores, and jam in a lot more compute units. Then you add higher clock speeds? Oh, and you’re also manufacturing on a process (TSMC 7nm+) that is superior to Nvidia’s Samsung 8nm process? (Nvidia really wanted to be on TSMC 7nm+ too but screwed it up). A strong belief AMD is going to compete pretty hard.

I imagine AMD will underperform, they usually do. But hey we might be surprised.

Indeed. Now I just gotta figure out how to get my drives in this weird case.

Turns out the card is an MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming X Trio 10G. That’s their highest-end, $759 1815Mhz card. Pleasantly surprised given the odds of getting an underclocked Zotac or a generic PNY were just as good. Smell the graphene!

@Knightsaber, I’m sorry. ā˜¹ļø I was there with you many times. Rumors I’ve read say supply should get dramatically better in about a week. The fact that I bought a whole PC to get one backs that up — oversupply should hit within moments.

Yeah, it’s definitely loosening up. eBay scalper prices are dropping like a rock. Another week or two and it’ll be easy to buy. Still sucks though.

It sounds like quite a few cards got bought by real people last night - that’s just that many fewer folks looking to buy cards next time. It only gets easier.

Obviously any machine with that much RGB is lucky :)

I have it on good authority that soon there will be thousands of under clocked RTX3000 series Zotac cards for sale. Guaranteed to be on the shelf.

If it makes you feel slightly better @Knightsaber, I happen to know that some of the scalpers are having their orders cancelled and as a result are having to cancel their eBay auctions that have already sold, only to now discover that they have to eat hundreds of dollars of fees because they still have to pay the listing and final value fees on orders they cancel.

To follow up on the 3080 based Cyberpower PC I mentioned upthread; I finally had time this weekend to do some computer surgery and confirm the source of the maddening whine. It is the PSU. While I am still happy with the price of the unit (especially after the 5% discount code) the build quality left a little to be desired.

I went with 3 additional Phantek fans in the build. The case’s built in fan was on the rear top, but for some reason connected to the CPU_FAN header. One of the fans was added in the rear position connected to CHA1, okay good. The cooler I chose was an Asetek 240mm. It’s not an ā€œAIOā€ in that the fans don’t connect to the pump but to fan headers on the MB. The pump was on CPU_OPT despite the MB having an AIO pump header. Granted the manual for the unit does say connect the pump to the CPU_FAN, but it also says out need to set CPU_FAN to a constant 12v which as far as I can tell was not done.

The cooler’s built in fans were on CHA2&3, which is proper. The two other extra fans were set on the other side of the cooler for a push-pull configuration. Those fans were connected via adapters to a PSU cable. However one of them wasn’t pushed in all the way. Major mark against the build considering how obvious it is when a fan isn’t spinning and how easy it is to double check. I rearranged things so the pump is on the AIO header, the extra ā€œpullā€ fans on the cooler are on CPU_FAN and CPU_OPT, and only the basic three pin built in case fan is directly connected to the PSU.

The MB had two M.2 slots. The primary one is toward the bottom and has a heat spreader over it. The secondary is between the CPU and the video card. The secondary is more obvious and more easily accessible so that’s where they installed the system drive. While which slot was used might not seem like a big deal, the heat difference between the primary one with the spreader and the one sandwiched between the CPU and GPU is significant.

The cables were all out of the way and zip tied, but they didn’t take advantage of some of the cable tracks the case has. It was evident things were just quickly bunched up and zip tied rather than care taken to route things well.

There was also the issue of the little snap on screen that goes on the bottom front of the case had the little snap broken off. The screen was sitting in the box with the spare parts so they knowingly shipped it with the broken part.

Overall a mediocre build that was clearly rushed. I have doubts they did much if any testing since the turnaround was so fast. My last custom build was from Puget Systems and that build was clearly well thought and and immaculate so that’s my main point of comparison. There is of course a significant price difference between Puget and Cyberpower, but you do get what you pay for.

Their support has been good, but so far it’s all been troubleshooting. They sent some documents with how to test if it’s a fan and how to test the PSU. The PSU one involves pulling the cable from the MB and using a paper clip to bridge two pins. I knew to do this already but was quite surprised to see actual tech support advice telling a customer to do this. I will see if their support remains decent as I’ve requested they send me a replacement PS for me to swap in, and a replacement for the broken screen.

As an aside, while doing this I learned that the PSU side of modular PSU cables are not standard. My old PC has a Seasonic 850w gold. Turns out the CPU/PCI-E connectors are different between Seasonic and Thermaltake.

Here’s a picture. I specifically avoided RGB parts, but all the case options had the glass window so I ended up with my first window case. It’s an NZXT H510. I disabled the GPU lighting, but left the one little light effect on the MB on for now.

Not a fan of windowed cases, but it all looks really clean, they did a good job. Maybe complain about the PSU, see if they’ll swap it out.

I do really like the case. All around the three edges of the MB that have connectors it is open to the back panel, and on bottom the PSU cage as well. It makes it easy to instantly disappear everything. There are nice cable tracks on the back panel and two clip on 2.5" drive mounts. The whole bracket the cooler is attached to in front comes out with just two thumb screws.

Now that I’ve got the built in fan direct on a 12v it’s noticeably loud. It’s amazing the difference between good fans and stock fans. That one fan makes more noise then the five others do. Even when the others are at max speed it’s close. I think I’m going to replace that with a Phantek and use some anti-vibration rivets. After that small upgrade, and a new PSU, it should finally be nice and silent.

All relatively modern cases have that stuff, my 6 year old fractal design R5 has it. The trick is that a lot of these companies don’t use them to route cables properly, because it takes longer. But it looks like these guys did.

The didn’t make use of the channels on the back, it was all just pulled down and zip tied together by the PSU. Which wasn’t that bad really though it did bulge against the case in one spot. I’ve since rerouted things more properly. Though that was all in back. The front was nice and clean like that from the start.

Yup. My Cyberpower I bought a few years ago had nice clean wiring using the space behind the panel for psu cables and they set the correct xmp profile in the bios which impressed me as well.

Very well done and I’m still happy with it.