I’ve been on 75 Hz for years, never can tell the difference when I see a friends 144.
I don’t think it matters in single player FPS but in competitive gaming it appears that there is a performance impact. shrug At this point my increasing age will more negatively impact my performance than high refresh will save it!
I believe 360 is the new standard :)
Aceris
6686
Yeah, if I’m going to get a new monitor I want nanoIPS or similar, but it’s over 1k for a good sized panel by the look of things… and it seems they don’t do 4k until you get to larger panels (presumably because it’s so expensive per pixel and they think it’s easier to sell big expensive TVs)
stusser
6687
I can very easily tell the difference between 60 and 90Hz. 90 to 120 is subtle, 120 to 144 and above I can’t tell.
morlac
6688
It certainly does make a competitive advantage in multiplayer FPS. However, once you get used to one it makes a big difference when you go back to 60 on anything. Everything seems jittery and not smooth at all. 60 fls gaming now feels like 30 fps gaming to me. Especially anything with fast action but even on stuff like scrolling a map in an rpg. It’s why I have no interest in 4k gaming just yet. Until, I can avg 120+ fps at 4k I’ll just stick to 1440p.
I’ve recently just changed my son’s monitor from 1920x1080 to a 3840x2160 and he complained about input lag and general jankiness in CSGO but this was surprising since he’s running a 2070. I can understand wanting to get a better GPU before upgrading resolution and refresh.
morlac
6690
60 to 165 (which is what I aim for) is incredibly noticeable. Again, it’s not something you think you need or want until you experience it and then go back. You can’t unsee it. :)
I remember back when I had a giant CRT monitor it was really noticeable, because it had to shoot each light. On 60 Hz, you could really see the flicker if you looked at it with your peripheral vision. But setting it to 75 (I think?) made the flicker go away even in my peripheral vision.
KevinC
6692
“The human eye can’t see more than 24-30 FPS!” :)
Up to ~90 I get a lot of mileage out of increased framerates. After that diminishing returns start to kick in for me. 60 FPS is absolute bare minimum for me to be able to play a game, anything below that and it looks/feels like crap to me.
I can easily unsee 90+ FPS, which is a good thing because otherwise I’d be even more cranky while using a console at 60.
It’s very hard to go back to 30 though.
morlac
6694
I have a One X for the OLED in my man cave, it looks really good.
Yesterday, I hooked up the new PC.
Today I bought a bluetooth mini kepybaord with tracking pad and am looking to get rid of the Xbox but keep my controllers ;)
I kid, sorta. HDR gaming still looks great on the old consoles and will be better with the new ones at 60 fps 4k on the games that support it consistently. I may even get one if MS doesn’t get serious about it on PC.
Yes, this was definitely the case with CRTs. Since LCDs were persistent you didn’t have the same problem at 60hz.
So glad the days of CRTs are mostly gone. No more flickering screens and flyback transformer whine. Yuck.
Except for the fact that with tinnitus, I get to hear it anyway 😕
I don’t miss the size, weight, and heat. Those Cathode Ray Tubes are heaaaaaavy. I remember getting a really gigantic (for the era) 21-inch monitor. It weighed about 80 pounds and ate up almost all the depth on my desk. You could feel the heat coming off of it.
I do miss the non-existent response time, the exceptional black levels, and the non-native resolution sharpness. A lot.
The reduced blur is the best part of high FPS for me. When people say they can’t see the framerate difference, I’m not sure they’re looking for that. Or they’re playing games with so much post-processing that it’s hard to tell. Honestly I wouldn’t know since my 1070ti can’t get that high with newer games anyway!
Could honestly just be their eyes, kind of like people who compare different sound sources and some can’t tell the difference simply because of their ears. That said, input latency can be a thing regardless of what one sees.
stusser
6702
Pricing and availability remains to be seen, if it really sticks at 2.3Ghz with 80CUs for $699, that will be extremely strong. Still, just rumors. We’ll know soon.
