Quaro
7505
I haven’t been following industry stuff but I sampled that Moore’s Law is Dead podcast and was confused on the bad things NVIDIA was supposedly doing.
He implied NVIDIA was overcharging for their GPUs based on manipulating MSRP of Founders cards that weren’t available, but then later in the episode he said it costs NVIDIA $600 to make a card they sell for $750 while the comparable AMD card is about $400 to make and still sells for about $750. But ff that is true, wouldn’t it be AMD who is wildly overcharging? Yet the tone of the podcast was that NVIDIA was ripping off gamers.
I think in the past NVIDIA has charged a ton for cards because they were dominating the market, but in this particular generation it feels like that isn’t actually true. They are now actually selling these things at a reasonable markup because they have competition and they don’t have the 7nm TMSC advantage AMD has, so they have to.
jsnell
7506
If the card isn’t available, obviously nobody is being overcharged. Are you sure they weren’t complaining about manipulating performance/$ measurements in reviews, by making the cards appear cheaper than they actually are? I.e. get reviewed based on a cheap but unavailable FE, while in reality everyone has to buy a third party card that costs more.
Quaro
7507
Ah, that makes more sense. I still don’t know if I’d consider that explicit manipulation unless NVIDIA was intentionally manufacturing fewer cards than they could be, since it’s the lack of supply that is ultimately driving the prices up. NVIDIA has never made many Founders cards in any generation.
MLID has said a lot of obviously bogus stuff about the 30xx series that I’d be very cautious giving much credence to it. For example he claimed the 3080 shortage was artificial because Nvidia was hoarding vram chips so that when AMD came out with their announcement they could unload tons of 3070s and 3080s and drown out the news. There was a bunch more in those videos that were linked here that proven out to be laughably false.
Quaro
7509
Big companies certainly pull some bullshit, NVIDIA included, but literally every hardware product this fall is not being made in enough supply to match demand and is being sold at marked up prices, so in this particular situation it strains credibility to imagine deliberate shenanigans like that for sure. No company can make enough crap.
It’s too bad I enjoy the podcast overall, but it seems to be caught up in whatever the equivalent to a culture-war topics are in the hardware space. He spends so much time talking about how people reacted to his leak, or whether people believed him, or whatever. Too much inside youtuber comment baseball, more GPU deep dives!
NVIDIA’s datacenter GPU pricing though, now that I can throw my pitchfork behind…
Yeah I don’t doubt that Nvidia has pulled bullshit before, I just don’t think the current 30xx shortage is one of those times, but of course podcast and video makers love to claim the shortage is artificial because it gets people to click and listen/watch.
My local Microcenter is showing more than 100 3060ti cards in stock. No 3070s, no 3080s, and of course no 6800XTs. I don’t actually want this card, but it’s going to be there…
Tempting, but I don’t want to be a part of the scalper problem, lol. I shot a message to my nephew asking if he wants to downgrade for his build just for the sake of availability. If he says no, I would be willing to swing by and hopefully grab one for a QT3 member who has been around for some while, but it’s still limited to one unit per household and he gets first dibs.
Mine too… Unless you’re talking about the Fairfax store in which case your store is my store. That seems really strange.
It seems hard to believe a retail store has 100 of anything.
Just for fun, I put a Zotac 3060ti in my cart at Newegg and made it to the payment page. Once I backed out, they were gone.
Everyone is still waiting for Best Buy to drop.
Mine too in Kansas City.
If I had a more modern CPU, I’d probably jump on it. As it is, I should wait until I can get a good bargain on a machine with an Ryzen 5600 in it.
I didn’t realize there were only 25 Microcenters, so 2500 cards seems plausible.
Yep. Of course, when AMD released the 6800 and 6800XT, they each got 2 or 3 total, both SKUs combined (and haven’t seen more since).
mono
7522
The local Microcenter site actually says Limited Availbility in store for all their 3060 Ti models. That’s never happened on the previous 3070 and 3080 releases.
With my local store, that’s basically the equivalent of a shoulder shrug.
Massive drop on Best Buy, tons of people in the Discord received confirmations. They’re all for in-store pickup this time, which seems unusual.
I have one sitting in checkout right now. It’s $200 less than my OC 3070. Kind of tempting but I don’t think I’ll play with fate like that. The 3070 is a good balance for me at 1440p.
