I caved. Cancelled the order from september 2020 and ordered a 3080ti to be delivered tomorrow. Yes it’s an insane amount of money. But at least I’m not spewing co2 all the way to Bali and back.
Aceris
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It’s not about gatekeeping. It’s about Dell selling the R10 5800X on the headline CPU stats, while supplying a cooling solution which means users are unlikely to ever see the headline performance the CPU is capable of. (I want to stress I’m not taling about your configuration as I don’t know how that performs).
To be fair to Dell, they are kind of limited by their foldout PSU design which means there’s no space for a good cheap tower cooler. But they could still have got coolermaster to do them a low profile design with some copper and a heatpipe and a decent fan. And while the PC gatekeepers would sneer at it and grumble at 80+ degree temps at 100% load it would be fine. Yeah it would cost a little more, but that might actually encourage users who don’t actually need the performance to get the 5600X model (which is much lower TDP), whereas users who actually want 5800X performance can pay a little more and actually get what they pay for.
Just to note, the Alienware PC in the Gamers Nexus review had an AMD 5800, not a 5800X. The 5800 non-X is an OEM part with a 65W TDP. Rock8man also reported a really loud CPU fan on his Alienware PC with a 5600X. Dell really needs to rethink this one.
Aceris
9191
Wow, thanks for pointing that out! I didn’t realise the OEM part existed. That explains why they thought they could get away with it. There must be something really broken about the airflow or the mount if so many people are having problems with a 65W part.
There was a recent Cyberpower 3080 build that was good for around $1,900, case was one of their funky ones but didn’t seem that bad on review. With some cooler upgrades and fan upgrades, it looked like a sub-2k 3080 system with a non-OEM GPU.
If you’re not doing those things, why are you buying an Alienware desktop?
Dell gatekeeping on the 3080 in it’s non-Alienware lines, for some reason. They seem to be trying to get rid of older generations with a 3080, the current is R12, not R10. The R12 costs much more with seemingly no significant improvement in components.
Aceris
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To be fair, the Dell 30xx GPUs seem to be absolutely fine. They clearly contracted it out to someone competent, and obviously not trying to put the otherwise mandatory RGB and bling all over it makes it easier not to compromise the cooling :)
True, I can’t point my finger specifically at the 1080 in my R6 as causing my infrequent hangs. It’s been quiet, too, but apparently there’s a wide gulf in heating issues from 10xx to 30xx.
You didn’t read what I wrote correctly. The processor is designed to throttle up and down based on your type of usage. It goes up to 4.9GHz while gaming. It settles back down to as low as 2.5GHz when you’re not.
I’m also not explaining it again.
Aceris
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We understood your explanation and why it was wrong, so there’s no need to explain it again.
If a chip with a genuinely* inadequate cooling solution (which testing showed was the case with the R10 - I stress again we don’t know about the R12) runs a full all-core load it will rapidly overheat and throttle so you don’t won’t get the advertised performance of the chip. That’s what we are trying to tell you.
Most gaming scenarios, especially in 1440p, and especially without some ridiculous setup like dual 3090s, are not going to use the full potential of that chip, so the chip doesn’t use its full heat budget and there’s no problem (other than possibly fan noise). But there are plenty of scenarios (largely but not entirely non-gaming) which are more compute based and not GPU limited where you will use the full heat budget and see any problems that exist.
*: I really can see where you are coming from with your elitist gatekeeping stuff, there are people out there who complain if a CPU goes over 70 degrees. This is nonsense I agree.
I just screwed a 3080ti into my machine, replacing the 1070. Flew some DCS. This is the result:
OK. I’ve only been talking about games. I really don’t do heavy compute beyond that at home. Hell, I don’t even do it at work. I let servers do all that stuff there.
I don’t think he understood what I was saying though. I can see that you do, but I don’t think he did.
Everyone upgrading their GPUs , sigh… so I went down into the basement and through my spare parts tubs, found a backup card I kept, the GTX460. So I upgraded my old Core 2 Duo basement box, from a GTX260 to the GTX460. Felt good. The CPU in this old rig was at 99% during the entire driver install process, lol. :P
Finally have a working hdmi port and sound now for the old tv monitor , that I had been using with a HDMI - DVI adapter cable.
Nice!
There is finally GPU stock floating around here in Au, but I’m not sure they’re worth it. The 3080Ti, which is the price/performance tier I was waiting for, is only $100 less than a 3090…
Here that difference is 300e
I just need GPU’s to become available again (and reasonably priced) by the time Starfield and Stalker 2 are released, the two big games I’m anticipating that I can’t play on the PS5.
Both Gamepass titles so you can always stream them :)
Soma
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Thanks. A while ago I’d already opened it up and had a good look, it is just a bit of work and I’m not sure it is worth the time and money. New prebuilds from Dell or HP where they can buy GPU at normal price changed the value proposition.
