Aceris
10380
Yeah the FSR2 images looked really promising. Thereās a slight unreality due to the sharpening though, and without sharpening it doesnāt really match DLSS. I canāt imagine it would make much of a difference outside of hyperreal scenes.
Meanwhile, AMD apparently optimized the hell out of their drivers and seen a substantial boost in a lot of games. Itās crazy.
This tweeter has been posting benchmarks all day.
AMD gpu issue was always the software. You could notice how the driver team donāt have the same budget than Nvidiaās has. They would release less updates and be later to fixing new games. And they always had less smooth framerate (even if the average fps was the same).
Iām glad they are improving it.
Aleck
10383
Man, this quote could be from 2006, 2010, 2015, 2019, or 2022ā¦ AMDās issue has always been drivers, and it seems it always will be. I want to love team Red, but how many times do you need to get burned before you grit your teeth and just buy the damn Nvidia card?
My son just upgraded his 1060 6GB to a 3060Ti last night (and we replaced the power supply in his Alienware R7 at the same time with an 850W EVGA one). No benchmarking yet. He was too excited to just get back on and game, but it definitely is a competent card.
He works for Best Buy and was able to snag it when it came in. $399.99. Itās the NVIDIA one too. Those are just super cool looking cards.
KevinC
10385
The answer for me was two. I have an AMD CPU that Iām happy with but GPUsā¦ no more. Theyād need a pretty significant performance advantage over Nvidia for me to consider switching back at this point.
stusser
10386
Nice! Keeping hope alive.
kedaha
10387
I bought a 2060 directly from Nvidia at launch and was more than slightly peeved for the Super to launch 7 months later with a large performance uptick for not much extra cost. Gave the 2060 to a friend and bought an Sapphire RX 5700XT and havenāt had any driver or stability issues with it!
My brother is still using my old 290x from 2015 with no driver or stability issues either. AMD are a lot better than they used to be for drivers/software!
Iāve been running ATI/AMD GPUs since the 4850. That was what, 2008 or so? The only driver issue Iāve ever had was about six or seven years ago when it kept crashing. But thaāts because I never used DDU to clean out some bad cruft that had built up. As soon as I did, itās been stable.
Meanwhile, my new 6800XT arrives later today. I think my progression has been 4850>6950>R9 290>Vega 56>6800 XT. My PC is opened up and ready for its new silicon. Between these optimized DX11 drivers and the FSR 2.0 results, it seems like itās a really nice time for an AMD GPU.
AMDās success with Rzyen is allowing them to invest more on the GPU side, finally. But the company was at deathās door for a while. I think the PS4/Xbone business kept them alive long enough to recover, but itās been a long road back.
Dear lord. Thereās like a 50% increase in large portions of these benchmarks.
AMD was neck-and-neck with Nvidia in terms of raster when these cards launched. If only they had launched with these drivers.
Yeah, seems pretty clear that AMD has solid advantages in both performance and value in older games without DLSS or RT, say 2017 and earlier. Of course those older games by and large would play great anyway.
KevinC
10391
Thatās great to hear because it always kneecapped otherwise good hardware, itās been such a shame. Amusingly (and not to discount what youāre saying in any way!), I was assured of that same thing the last time I switched back to Team Red only to run into months of driver problems and performance issues in the games I was most interested in at the time. After one too many āAMD users, read hereā sticky in various tech support forums I shook my fist and declared āNever again!ā. :)
Iām still rooting for AMD. Iām really happy with my Zen 3 CPU and would love to see Nvidia sweat due to stiff competition. If the performance gains from these latest drivers are real, thatās fantastic news.
Will FSR 2 make it to the consoles?
Xbox, yes. Not sure on PS.
Potentially, Xbox support could really help spur adoption.
Iām sure PS5 will get it too, although Sony has historically taken a very long time to adopt new tech. It just got VRR like this week.
Sale on the PSU needed for the RTX 40X0 series:
1600 watts! It also heats your home.
Literally doubling the 4k framerate is a helluva lot better than nothing. Doing it with fewer ghosting artifacts than DLSSās fastest mode (& roughly comparable performance to its higher image quality modes) makes it comparable to me.
Based on the algorithm explanations, itās hardly surprising that a multi-frame machine learning approach would produce fuzzier results. Short of overfitting, which would only be relevant to something like 3DMark (is that still a thing?) that never differs from the expectations, thereās not a good way to get a statistical predictive model to avoid a little extra noise.
Ironically, it sounds like FSR 2.0 is going to have similar ghosting artifacts, even as a more traditional algorithm, because the bigger cause of the extra noise is the multi-frame predictive approach. It is interesting that Nvidia found a way to leverage tensor cores to boost framerates, but that seems like another performance/image quality tradeoff, and at a certain point it undermines the whole point of 4k. For me that cutoff is when I can actively notice the ghosting.
Either way, itās great news for modern games that both companies are able to boost framerates so much, even more so for those who donāt mind the extra artifacts on the fastest modes.
Oh good, I can move my space heater to another room!
And, depending on the source of your electricity, possibly the planet!
