Windows 10


#3348

Been meaning to ask, how quickly does 10 start up for people compared to 7? It is taking forever for me, but I’m not sure how much of that is updates and how much is the data not being cached on my ssd. I used to get to a login prompt in 7 in about 10-12 seconds.


#3349

Pretty quick? I haven’t timed it lately, but I’m at a login prompt within 15 seconds for sure.

Nowadays I have to wait an extra 3-4 seconds for my USB card to initialize, since my mobo USB ports started acting up and so my kb/mouse are connected to this PCI card. But yeah, it’s not bad.


#3350

Since the only times my PC has restarted since installing 10 ~1.5 years ago are mandatory updates and a couple of power outages, I literally have no idea. But I think it’s pretty slow, mostly on account of the 40-goddamn-million USB devices I’ve got plugged in.


#3351

Cool, thanks for the responses. I think it has everything to do with the data not being nicely cached on my ssd anymore in a nice big block. I haven timed it, but it is well over a minute. I’ve been happy with my SRT setup to this point, but I am looking forward to getting some m2 drives when I pull the trigger on a new build, eventually.


#3352

After the Creator’s Update, it is booting faster than ever (I haven’t timed it though…). I honestly thought something was hosed by how quick it started up - probably just shows how cluttered I had the older build, and the upgrade helped clean things up.


#3353

Aren’t SSDs designed for random access in general?


#3354

Yes, don’t defrag your SSD. Windows 10 should boot in under 10 seconds on a SSD, if it takes longer something is wrong.


#3355

Didn’t say I was going to and you didn’t read what I actually wrote. Windows isn’t installed on the ssd. It is set up to cache the HD. The point is that when it was a fresh win 7 install, all the most-used Windows info was presumably neatly ordered on the ssd and has been for 5 years. Now, it’s a combination of stuff not being cached or being all over the place (on both the HD and ssd)


#3356

No, you actually said “I think it has everything to do with the data not being nicely cached on my ssd anymore in a nice big block.” No mention of your magnetic storage there. It doesn’t matter if it’s contiguous if it’s on the SSD. If it’s not cached on the SSD that’s another matter of course.


#3357

So, there’s zero impact of non-sequential reads? Go look at any SSD review from a site like Anandtech. Why do they show massive differences between sequential read times and random read times? For instance:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4863/the-samsung-ssd-830-review/2

Does that only apply to copying massive files? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand.


#3358

Sequential reads transfer data faster, but data transfer speeds aren’t the primary reason why SSDs are better than magnetic drives for desktop use, latency is what matters. Random access is dramatically slower on magnetic because a physical head needs to move to a different spot on the magnetic platter, and that doesn’t happen on SSD. That’s why you defrag hard drives.

And yes, fast transfers are more noticeable on larger files, but most usage isn’t copying large files back and forth so that probably doesn’t matter to you.


#3359

Y’know, maybe if Microsoft hadn’t very recently used Windows Update to REPLACE YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM, people might be more trusting of it.


#3360

See, what do you go by when determining when it’s finished booting? I think I may be at the desktop in 15 seconds, with mouse control, but it takes another 30 seconds to finish loading some other stuff, and that spinning circle finally stops for good. That sound right?


#3361

Well, that depends how much cruft you have set to start on boot. For me, win10 is usable as soon as I see the desktop.


#3362

It is for me as well. I guess I was just wondering how people actually measured boot time. If there was some sort of official method.

And it’s not cruft, dammit. These are very important programs I need to load. Like AlienFX needs to load to turn my case lights off. Stuff like that. Dammit.


#3363

They used to have a bootup-analyzing tool, but not sure if it is available (or valid) anymore. You should be able to see under task manager and the startup pane to see if anything there is deemed to be ‘slowing down’ the bootup.


#3364

Troy Hunt compares people who disable automatic updates to anti-vaxxers: https://www.troyhunt.com/dont-tell-people-to-turn-off-windows-update-just-dont/


#3365

Another professional Microsoft apologist. Quelle surprise.


#3366

Guess he’s a piece of shit then.
But he follows the party line, so there’s that.


#3367

So is it REALLY safe to turn updates on 7 back on, or will I wake up to find 10 running on my machine the next day?