Windows 10


#3388

They can’t just force updates (Unless Win10 guinea pig edition), as some software/hardware might rely on a particular version to work or to be ‘supported’ by the vendor, and might fail due to the nature of the changes in the security fix.

A lot of the time, there are mitigation/workarounds that can be used if it is not feasible to patch right now. (believe that is the case with Wecrypt as well…)


#3389

I can’t imagine why he doesn’t want to respond to the snakepit this thread has become.


#3390

Golly, I hope I didn’t hurt his feelings!


#3391

Snakepit? I’m just curious to see if they are working on fixes. He’s the go to guy here. I’m not angry at him nor do I plan on giving him grief. A little heads up would be nice though.


#3392

Sorry, I stopped following this thread once I was called an asshole and people misinterpreted what I was saying in order to attack me further.

I don’t have any answers for any specific issues you’re seeing. It sucks that you’re having issues, and I would recommend using the official forums (where hundreds of Microsoft employees from various teams also post) to see if they have any more information.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10


#3393

Yeah, I’ve been there. Guess I’ll keep dropping by. Thanks for the answer.

EDIT: This make sense to anyone? Event files from the day of the update.

Level	Date and Time	Source	Event ID	Task Category
Information	5/13/2017 5:23:24 PM	Microsoft-Windows-UserPnp	20001	(7005)	Driver Management concluded the process to install driver tvmonitor.inf_amd64_d29c82fcc0e477bb\tvmonitor.inf for Device Instance ID DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31E2D434&0&UID4354 with the following status: 0x0.
Information	5/13/2017 5:23:24 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	410	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was started.

Driver Name: oem74.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Service: MonitorFunction
Lower Filters: 
Upper Filters: "
Information	5/13/2017 5:23:24 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	400	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was configured.

Driver Name: oem74.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Driver Date: 11/23/2010
Driver Version: 1.1.0.0
Driver Provider: TeamViewer GmbH
Driver Section: Driver_DDI.NT
Driver Rank: 0xFF2000
Matching Device Id: *PNP09FF
Outranked Drivers: monitor.inf:*PNP09FF:00FF2000
Device Updated: true
Parent Device: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE1&SUBSYS_13F01043&REV_A1\4&15364512&0&0008"
Error	5/13/2017 5:23:24 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	441	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 could not be migrated.

Last Device Instance Id: DISPLAY\Default_Monitor\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Location Path: ACPI(_SB_)#ACPI(PCI0)#ACPI(PEG0)#ACPI(GFX0)#ACPI(EDPD)
Migration Rank: 0xF000FFFF00000102
Present: false
Status: 0xC0000719"
Information	5/13/2017 5:14:44 PM	Microsoft-Windows-UserPnp	20001	(7005)	Driver Management concluded the process to install driver monitor.inf_amd64_72dbcbbbb0666b3f\monitor.inf for Device Instance ID DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31E2D434&0&UID4354 with the following status: 0x0.
Information	5/13/2017 5:14:44 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	410	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was started.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Service: monitor
Lower Filters: 
Upper Filters: "
Information	5/13/2017 5:14:44 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	400	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was configured.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Driver Date: 06/21/2006
Driver Version: 10.0.15063.0
Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Section: PnPMonitor.Install
Driver Rank: 0xFF2000
Matching Device Id: *PNP09FF
Outranked Drivers: 
Device Updated: true
Parent Device: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE1&SUBSYS_13F01043&REV_A1\4&15364512&0&0008"
Error	5/13/2017 5:14:44 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	441	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 could not be migrated.

Last Device Instance Id: DISPLAY\Default_Monitor\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Location Path: ACPI(_SB_)#ACPI(PCI0)#ACPI(PEG0)#ACPI(GFX0)#ACPI(EDPD)
Migration Rank: 0xF000FFFF00000100
Present: false
Status: 0xC0000719"
Information	5/13/2017 5:01:31 PM	Microsoft-Windows-UserPnp	20001	(7005)	Driver Management concluded the process to install driver monitor.inf_amd64_72dbcbbbb0666b3f\monitor.inf for Device Instance ID DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31E2D434&0&UID4354 with the following status: 0x0.
Information	5/13/2017 5:01:31 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	410	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was started.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Service: monitor
Lower Filters: 
Upper Filters: "
Information	5/13/2017 3:08:12 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	410	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was started.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Service: monitor
Lower Filters: 
Upper Filters: "
Information	5/13/2017 3:08:11 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	400	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was configured.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Driver Date: 06/21/2006
Driver Version: 10.0.15063.0
Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Section: PnPMonitor.Install
Driver Rank: 0xFF2000
Matching Device Id: *PNP09FF
Outranked Drivers: 
Device Updated: true
Parent Device: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE1&SUBSYS_13F01043&REV_A1\4&15364512&0&0008"
Error	5/13/2017 3:08:11 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	441	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 could not be migrated.

Last Device Instance Id: DISPLAY\Default_Monitor\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Location Path: ACPI(_SB_)#ACPI(PCI0)#ACPI(PEG0)#ACPI(GFX0)#ACPI(EDPD)
Migration Rank: 0xF000FFFF00000100
Present: false
Status: 0xC0000719"
Information	5/13/2017 3:07:40 PM	Microsoft-Windows-UserPnp	20001	(7005)	Driver Management concluded the process to install driver monitor.inf_amd64_72dbcbbbb0666b3f\monitor.inf for Device Instance ID DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31E2D434&0&UID4354 with the following status: 0x0.
Information	5/13/2017 3:07:40 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	410	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was started.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Service: monitor
Lower Filters: 
Upper Filters: "
Information	5/13/2017 3:07:40 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	400	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was configured.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Driver Date: 06/21/2006
Driver Version: 10.0.15063.0
Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Section: PnPMonitor.Install
Driver Rank: 0xFF2000
Matching Device Id: *PNP09FF
Outranked Drivers: 
Device Updated: true
Parent Device: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE1&SUBSYS_13F01043&REV_A1\4&15364512&0&0008"
Error	5/13/2017 3:07:40 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	441	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 could not be migrated.

Last Device Instance Id: DISPLAY\Default_Monitor\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Location Path: ACPI(_SB_)#ACPI(PCI0)#ACPI(PEG0)#ACPI(GFX0)#ACPI(EDPD)
Migration Rank: 0xF000FFFF00000100
Present: false
Status: 0xC0000719"
Information	5/13/2017 2:31:53 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	410	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was started.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Service: monitor
Lower Filters: 
Upper Filters: "
Information	5/13/2017 2:31:52 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	400	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 was configured.

Driver Name: monitor.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Driver Date: 06/21/2006
Driver Version: 10.0.15063.0
Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Section: PnPMonitor.Install
Driver Rank: 0xFF2000
Matching Device Id: *PNP09FF
Outranked Drivers: 
Device Updated: false
Parent Device: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE1&SUBSYS_13F01043&REV_A1\4&15364512&0&0008"
Error	5/13/2017 2:31:52 PM	Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-PnP	441	None	"Device DISPLAY\LGD04E8\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354 could not be migrated.

Last Device Instance Id: DISPLAY\Default_Monitor\5&31e2d434&0&UID4354
Class Guid: {4D36E96E-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Location Path: ACPI(_SB_)#ACPI(PCI0)#ACPI(PEG0)#ACPI(GFX0)#ACPI(EDPD)
Migration Rank: 0xF000FFFF00000100
Present: false
Status: 0xC0000719"

#3394

FWIW, I don’t have anything against @LMN8R and really appreciate that he stops by this thread from time to time. Stop being assholes to him, guys.

Be assholes to the taintgargler who wrote that Office task and the choadmonger who decided it was important to reset it to its default state in a force-fed update.

I have no small experience trying to explain the internal logic of something that pisses customers off. No stress, man.

Unless you’re the Senior Manager of Shitty Office Background Tasks, in which case I have some words for you.


#3395

Just to be clear here, MS were the ones that equated not installing Windows 10 to killing children, but yea, I guess that makes us the assholes.


#3396

Yeah we had to roll back a few at work… broke a few key interfaces. It takes a lot to keep all these systems talking to each other. (not an interface gal)


#3397

And just to clarify here - I’ve said some stupid things in the past, have expressed disagreement with my own company’s behavior before the company did it publicly, and my vaccine comparison above is probably also one of those dumb things in retrospect.

But the second it becomes personal? I’ll happily disengage and never look back.


#3398

It’s pretty personal to call or compare someone to an anti-vacc person who clearly isn’t, and it’s also an asshole thing to. The fact it went there is unfortunate, but it’s not like those who responded to it were the ones that brought it to that level in the first place.

Back to Windows…


#3399

I’m nobody, but thanks for the mea culpa. I’ve enjoyed most of the posts here, including yours. No one should come after you personally here at all. It’s dumb for them to do that.


#3400

You made it personal. That is one of the most insulting things anyone has said to me in recent memory. I don’t think I’ve told anyone off like that in over ten years on the forum. I don’t have a hair trigger.

You had the opportunity to apologize and chose to stand by your statement with “I’m sorry you were offended”. And your latest “in retrospect, I must say that was a regrettable turn of phrase” wishy-washy statement doesn’t really cut it either.


#3401

#3402

My copy of Windows 7 hasn’t been updated since December 2015. It’s not for lack of trying, it’s just that every-time I press the “update” button it instead tries to download and install Windows 10, which is something I can’t stop it doing no matter what I try :( I guess I’ll soon be WannaCrying… (I disabled SMBv1, hopefully that helps)

Also, Windows Update is completely shagged on that computer. Whenever it first boots it just pegs one of the cores to 100% and I have to kill svchost to stop my fan going nuts. It never does anything useful either, just wastes CPU cycles doing ???.

And then Windows 10 on my laptop? I tried to update it after this WannaCry stuff hit the news, but I noticed I had 5 failing updates and it had been doing that for a week. After an hour (or two hours?) of trying random stuff from forums*, it worked! I think in the end using disk cleanup and clearing the temporary system files helped it? Who knows.

  • Practically every time I google a specific error code or phrase I end up at some windows forum where the first reply is some completely generic and useless “Do all of these unrelated things, download all of these third party tools, and post all of these unrelated logs please – it’ll only take you 3 hours” and none of it EVER HELPS. I can’t imagine how annoyed the person originally asking the question felt.

#3403

Holy fucking shit.

Windows just auto-“updated” my graphics driver with no warning.

So for one thing, my display gamma balance is all fucked now. For another, I just lost display while it removed/installed/rebooted the driver while I was in the middle of some work.

For a third, I appear to be on some generic driver that doesn’t include the somewhat-functional AMD package I use to control things like crossfire functionality.

Not enough fuck-yous. Jesus Christ. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here.

Raaaaaaaaage.


#3404

There’s an option to turn that off. That option isn’t logically placed (like, I don’t know, the Windows Update settings page), but it’s there.

I had to remember to go change that option back after the Creator’s Update forced a complete reinstall of the OS on me. :)


#3405

Yeah, that was the first goddamn thing I did that I shouldn’t have bloody well had to.


#3406

Yeah, some common sense version checking and not overwriting your shiny new display driver with the one from literally a year or more ago would be smart for MS. But, instead, stupidity.


#3407

You see that on earlier versions of windows as well, it will recommend driver updates that are older. I guess it fails on some meta-data checks, or the data added to windows update lacks information to make an “informed decision”, or it is just based on “Do you have this driver installed, or the previous one we supplied, if not, then well install it”.

I’ve yet to press the “info” button on any driver updates from Windows Update and get to a web page that tells you what it actually contains, I guess that is up to each hardware vendor to supply information about through some special file in the driver or something, and they never bother to do that.

http://sysdev.microsoft.com/en-US/Hardware/support/default.aspx is the only page I get when I request information on:

Hence I’ve never trusted it to update any drivers (Currently recommending drivers for INtel System, Intel System, Nvidia Display and OCZ Storage) as there is no information on what any of the updates are.