But with Android, since the OEM is responsible for updates, few if any give more then a year or so of support, forcing you to upgrade to keep the phone secure.
Then don’t buy them?
I’m waiting for you to arrive at an actual point.
Edit - To be less snarky, I just pointed out that my over two and a half years old phone has damn near the most recent security update. With Oreo it’s obvious that Google is intending and working on making os and security updates both easier for oems to implement or users to straight up install themselves. So I’m very confused what exactly the problem is other than a general irritation that there is no such thing as perfect in the world.
Unfortunately, it’s not financially viable for me to spend more then 200 or so dollars on a phone. So, I can’t afford a Samsung Device, nor do I particular like the way Samsung set up their device.
With a Windows device, the device will be updated whether I spend 200 dollars or 2000. With Android, you must pay a premium for basic security, which is starting to be a problem.
My point is having to deal with Windows updates is a far cry better then the lack of support you get with most OEMs and Android. And considering what kind of trouble an unsecured PC can cause, I prefer MS taking a heavy handed approach.
RichVR
3612
I don’t know if this was posted upthread, but has anyone here used WPD?
Ok, I used the MediaCreation Tool to create a new bootable USB. How reliable is Win10’s in-place upgrade option if I go this route?
Coming from Win 10 x64 1511. Will I need to re-install all my apps, or is it pretty good that way now? It claims it is anyway… I have a bunch of installed I’d really rather not download again if I can avoid it.
Anyone done it?
And it generally works fine, should I still at least uninstall low hanging fruit that is easy to re-install post upgrade - malware-bytes, mouse/keyboard software, DisplayFusion, Greenshot, F.lux, etc, etc.
Or just roll the dice?
Well, I’ve done only in-place upgrades and had no major issues. And that seems to be the case for the majority of people, from what I’ve read. But you just never know if you’re going to be one of those minority cases. I’d say make sure your backups are up to date, and go for it.
rei
3617
No need to uninstall them more important to disable automatic startup
A lot of Android fanbois in this Windows 10 thread.
Of course…it fails even from fresh bootable media.
Could not find much on that error. It’s not security software conflict - I removed MBAM and a few other extraneous things before trying (though I did not use their complete removal tool).
Could be out of date drivers? I don’t really have any extraneous stuff plugged in, other than various internal drives, M+K and monitors.
A Win10 ‘reset’ does not preserve apps and data, right? So I can’t really do that, then the upgrade. If I have to faff around unplugging internal shit or refreshing various system drivers, I may as well just bite the bullet and do a clean install. Fucking Windows…same as it ever was…
Apple has borked the iOS upgrade on some devices at times. I ran into it with my sister’s phone. Almost had an annureyism because she came thisclose to losing hundreds of photos she hadn’t backed up, including the only photos of her father-in-law and her kids before he died. I was only able to save it a few days later, after Apple rushed out an updated OS. And that’s on fixed, closed device that Apple knows backwards and forwards.
Granath
3621
To put it mildly, Microsoft sucks ass.
About a week ago I was rebuilding a machine for my daughter. The OS on the side of the case was a code for Windows 7 and I decided to build it with Windows 10. So I created an account on their website and purchased Windows 10 from their store. I then performed a brand new install on a reformatted hard drive. It worked fine except I couldn’t active .NET 3.5 for my daughter’s older games. Windows 10 simply would not allow it to activate. The only way was to create an ISO image, except their horribly shitty Media Creation Tool failed on 2 different Win 10 machines.
I spoke to 8 different MS techs and not one could solve this issue. We did everything - permissions, total reinstall, reinstall-in-place, patching, etc. They finally said I’d have to pay for support to get their product working. Fuck that noise. They should be paying me for my time troubleshooting their busted products.
So I got a refund. That should be the end of the story, right?
Nope. I woke up today to find an email saying that my Microsoft password has been changed. I did not submit such a request. Three unauthorized charges were submitted to my credit card from Microsoft. So now I have been forced to cancel the card.
Even stranger, the existing password had only EVER been used on Microsoft and only from a freshly build machine with nothing but Avast running on it (it is the first thing I do when building a machine). That password is literally a week old and has only ever been used on one machine going to one website, which is theirs. So there is almost no doubt that someone within Microsoft has sold my account information because there would be no other reasonable way it could be obtained.
So my experience in the last week has been dealing with their broken products, trying to get a refund and then having someone on their side compromise my credit card information. Fuck Microsoft with a pointy stick in their ass.
Klaatu
3622
Yeah. Fucking Apple…same as it ever was…
That truly sucks. Did you reach out to MS about the issue? Sometimes they are good about giving out gift cards and the like when the screw up that badly.
At the very least, there is someone who definitely needs to be fired over there for selling customer information.
Granath
3625
Who the heck are you going to tell? They do not seem to have any contact information on their website to actually get in touch with anyone.
Good question. I have had mixed results with MS, but never as bad as you described.
So all my drivers are up to date - mobo stuff anyway - no updates for any of those since 2015 anyway. Cleared up some additional free space on system drive ~27Gb. I think I might try and disconnect all but the system drive, remove one of my GTX970’s and then give it another crack.
rei
3628
I assembled a new Ryzen-based system yesterday and was surprised all my low-level drivers and everything were detected/updated in Windows 10.
