1581

Yeah the shift in GUI design with 8 left me cold in terms of visual refinement, 10 carries that new look onwards.

1582

You can change the colors of the bars. I think it is under control panel, but I cant remember off the top of my head. You can even set it so the colors match whatever your background picture is.

1583

For those of you running 10 with a touch screen, did MS ad the touch gestures back to Edge? It may sound trivial but the lack of touch gestures on Edge was one of the reasons I rolled back to 8 on my SP3 - Win 8 overall is just more touch friendly than 10.

1584

I have dual touch screens on my work desktop (not that I have my arms up touching the screen all day, but there are times when its easier than moving the mouse around) and a Surface Pro. I can scroll with my fingers, pinch to zoom, go back and forwards with the giant Back/Forward buttons… what would the touch gestures be?

Edge didn’t even exist on Win8 - maybe IE11 does what you were looking for?

1585

Well in Win8 I think they call it IE Metro and it was perfect for kicking back on the couch for lazy web browsing moments where you could easily swipe left to go back a page and swipe right to go forward. Sounds trivial but Win10 failed my lazy touch test. Yeah there’s the back arrow button but I have to aim and reach for it while in IE Metro I could swipe anywhere with no issue.

1586

How is that not standard yet? Should be universal across all touch browsers.

1587

Nope, Edge is still beyond shit for touch browsing. No swipe gestures at all, no fullscreen mode.

With Win10 the surface went from one of my favorite browsing devices, to my least favorite device.

Good news is all the changes should be in Edge, so in theory, they can deliver a new browser executable to fix all this versus overhauling the OS.

1588

Can’t you just run IE in Win10? Or did they throw out the touch UI?

1589

I don’t think IE11 runs in touch mode, you just get desktop IE11.

Anyway there was a fair bit of baby thrown out with the bathwater when it comes to tablet browsing and Windows 10. I’m sure it’ll get fixed eventually, maybe in the next 12 months or so with newer releases of Edge. Maybe.

1590

Just a heads up for those happy to not need windows 10:

‘Windows 10 will be made an automatic “recommended” update early next year’:

The Windows 10 free upgrade program has so far concentrated on those Windows 7 and 8 users who reserved their copy in the weeks leading up to the operating system’s release. Over the coming months, Microsoft will start to spread the operating system to a wider audience. The Windows 10 upgrade will soon be posted as an “Optional Update” in Windows Update, advertising it to anyone who examines that list of updates.

Then, early next year, it will be categorized as a “Recommended Update.” This is significant, because it means that systems that are configured to download and install recommended updates—which for most people is the safest option—will automatically fetch the upgrade and start its installer. The installer will still require human intervention to actually complete—you won’t wake up to find your PC with a different operating system—but Windows users will no longer need to actively seek the upgrade.

This mirrors an accidental change that Microsoft did earlier this month. The Windows 10 upgrade was showing up for some people as a recommended update and the installer started automatically.

That surprise change wasn’t very popular, so why is Microsoft going to do the same thing again? Terry Myerson, executive vice president of the Windows and Devices group, told us that Microsoft has fielded a huge number of support requests from people running Windows 7 and Windows 8 who want the upgrade but for one reason or another did not opt in to the reservation system. Pushing the upgrade out through Windows Update for everyone will make it a lot more accessible. The upgrade notifications will also be made clearer and more compelling. Myerson’s belief is that by communicating this plan before the change is made, the unhappiness that the accidental change provoked can be avoided. Anyone who doesn’t want the upgrade will have plenty of time to disable automatic updates between now and the new year.

1591

I can understand. Trying to keep windows 7 and 8 updated forever is probably expansive and time consuming, especially when they are building Windows 10 at the same time. Better to have everyone on one platform and avoid Windows XP all over again. It looks for Apple.

1592

Think I linked this earlier, but use this and your life will be much improved.

Er… now I forget, but you might need this as well, to complete the full effect.

1593

You’re right-- I just looked it up. I found a powershell script that restores it, but it was last updated in the tech preview days so who knows if it still works. If you hate how desktop IE11 works with touch, you basically are SOL.

1594

Thanks.
Still scratching my head over the lack of Windows UI customization.

1595

For the first time, MS admits what we’ve known all along-- that they are tracking you and you can’t turn it off. But you shouldn’t care, because it’s “helpful to the ecosystem” and “not an issue of personal privacy”.

Remember to run Shutup10, kids.

1596

o noes!

1597

I’m not fazed by this. It’s no more or less than google does to me every day and quite frankly, it doesn’t effect my privacy at all. No one is listening in on my or reading my emails or posts. Nothing of true value is being taken, except that Microsoft is being more pro active about having a system that works.

If my little bit of data will help other people with there computer troubles, than I say go for it. I’ve had more than a few troubles with Windows in the past, where I couldn’t find a solution, and its usually because no one bothers to contact Microsoft with the data. Well, now we do supply the data to Microsoft, and it should end up with a more stable and more robust system. Or we can fear technology, and claim that ever little change is an infringement of some sort.

1598

Googles been doing this through search, Gmail, and Android for years. People don’t bat an eye because Google “does no evil”. Now people start to flip out at MS. Whatever…

1599

Yes, in the sense of no, the exact opposite of what you just said. Android Chrome used to work like that, but they had to get rid of it because of all the complaints about how it conflicted with mobile sites that also used edge swiping.

1600

I think it’s more of people really like the services Google provides so they don’t mind as much. Gmail, Maps, Chrome, etc. are all services/apps that are very well done and are better than the competition. It’s easy to overlook that they are collecting your data when you like the product. Plus it’s easy to opt out by using other services (Duck Duck Go has gotten a lot better for instance).

Microsoft doesn’t have that advantage, especially if Windows isn’t always going to be free. If I don’t like Google collecting data, just don’t use it. That’s not a realistic option for an OS like a Windows (at least if you want to game). At the very least it should be an option.

Makes me curious how companies/gov are going to react. Surely most won’t want anything collected. Is there an enterprise version of Windows that doesn’t collect data?