Finally got the update. Took longer to install than the original Windows 10 Pro. Some things I noticed so far…

  1. The new environment variable editor is indeed present and awesome.

  2. New title bar color option correctly colors active window only. Much better than new single-pixel outline. However, this only works for old-style applications that haven’t opted into new Windows 10 styling with custom title bar color. As so often applications work better by ignoring new MS guidelines…

  3. Pirisoft Speccy got automatically uninstalled due to being “incompatible.” WTF?

  4. Update resets ALL file associations to Microsoft products, even though associated apps are still present and working! Kindly fuck you, Microsoft.

Oh, and you want to run Disk Cleanup: Clean up System Files to free a whopping 22.7 GB for the archived previous Windows 10 installation and the upgrade package.

Well for the time being i’ve simply disabled windows updates on my window 7 PC’s, and just use Linux for anything internet releated (keeping Windows for games only).

I’ve also found another very good and detailed site that goes into plenty of detail on how to keep windows 10 away, and MS changing your 7 or 8 OS into a spyware 10 version:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/updates-to-hide-to-prevent-windows-10-upgrade-disable-telemetry.780476/

Just ‘Duh!’ this time legowarrior, just duh. ;)

No, not really. I have no idea what you fear. I know some of it is rationale, like climate change and the shrinking of the middle class, but some of it is not, like GMO. So, when you talk about big data, I am not sure whether to just ignore it or not. Big data is just science and like an of form of science, it can used in all kinds of ways. Such as tracking the flu across America (which has final had some break through in the modeling to get it more accurate) or regional concerns, but also used to created targeted ads (which sounds horrible on the face of it, until you realize that targeted ads are still more interesting than the random drivel we get these days that I have no interest in).

Is it that you fear oppressive regimes using that information? If so, how would they use it?

Is it large corporations? Current Microsoft is setting Deutsches Telecom as a data Trustee in Germany, so that the information of Germans stays in Germany and follows the laws of Germany. Not exactly a nefarious activity. And I wouldnt be surprised if Google follows suit.

Perhaps you should fear the EU, and its quest to force the whole world to ‘forget’ stuff. Thats something I fear, because if France and Germany can say that no one in the world can know about Zaks house foreclosure, than what stops China from asking the same about a certain Square or perhaps Iran can insist we pull down stories about the Holocaust. Or maybe a politician will ask that Google takes down articles about past indiscretions that he or she does think the population should know about.

I fear the EU more than I do most large corporations and their small minded attituted when it comes to the Future. And England and there insistances of a back door might be the worst.

I have a question. My wife’s computer (a couple year old Lenovo laptop) is running as slow as balls since the upgrade. I’d like to start over with a fresh install but she had a copy of Office that came with the computer. It’s one of those ones where there’s no install disk it just comes preloaded. Is there any way I could do a clean install without losing office?

Ok, even though this is going to be one of those conversations where neither side is likely to change their view on the subject.

The danger of Big Data (and yes that can go in the same kind of category as the usage of Big Oil and Big Government etc) is it falling into the wrong hands (obviously). Or to put it more specifically, what would the Gestapo, Stasi or the NKVD have given to have access to the kind of data we give freely these days (via Facebook and our general laissez-faire attitude to data gathering)?

So what are the chances of that kind of thing happening? That comes down to reading the play on the world stage, how stable/peaceful is the world, what is the state of our democracies, what is the state of wealth distribution etc. It’s a big picture you need to be able to predict the trends our societies are moving towards, and looking forward is the important part of that.

Is our world becoming less fair? Yes. Is our world becoming increasingly dominated by smaller groups of the incredibly wealthy? Yes. Is our world heading towards an unpredictable and less stable future? Yes (climate change will be a big player in this). So whom exactly is Big Data going to serve, in this world? The answer should be obvious.

Once your data is given, it’s gone and you lose control of it. Now this is not to say we should never give any data ever (because that is plainly not possible if you plan to create or live in any organised society), but we should definitely be vigilant over what and how much we give, because history shows us what can happen.

What happens if i’m an ameircan mexican citizen and Donald Trump becomes President? How will my data be used against me? This is exactly why big data is not a good idea because you simply can’t know how the future will pan out exactly.

And who knows maybe all my friends on facebook (many of whom might also be Mexican) will also get special treatment in a Donald Trump run usa? And yes i completely flat out, point blank refute the notion this can never happen because Google would refuse to let Donald Trump use this data in that way.

Why? Because the whole point of Google is to spy on us all and that comes with all the built in infrastructure to allow bodies like the NSA access to that data, it’s why Google et all exist. It’s why Snowden and Wikileaks is of such importance and relevance in this, it’s why Big Data is actually dangerous to our freedom and liberty.

Now sure if you feel you live in a perfect country where bad things ™ never happen and never will happen, then ok enjoy your fantasy, but history and world events are not going to live in that fantasy with you, sadly.

Wow…

I think you’ve flipped a bit, Zak.

Great rebuttal.

I will always listen to what Stusser thinks, and Zak is laying out a possible situation, data is becoming a very important commodity, and who knows how it could be used in the future…

Anyway, back to the topic. Apparently I have been successful on suspending automatic updates. I know that probably a Duh but it’s not like Windows has a screen that shows current data being downloaded (that I know of).

One curious thing, in Settings/Update & Security/Windows Update, I see

Upgrade to Windows 10 Home, version 1511, 10586
Error

Wonder that’s about?

Another ShutUp10-alike tool, if you want ever more options to toggle: http://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/

I can’t say if it is any better/worse than ShutUp10, just another option for folks.

EDIT: And thanks to one of the above apps, I seem to have prevented this latest patch? I haven’t even seen it try to update yet. Yay?

Win 7 Pro appears not to auto upgrade to 10. Maybe that’s an option for decaphobes.

How long should it take to install this update? I seem to be stuck at 23% for the past several hours.

Hopefully you have a backup or image you can revert to.

Can get stuck there for quite some time. I just discovered that the update removes and replaces ALL your device drivers with ones from the Microsoft repository. That’s the endless download/installation pause there.

Incidentally, that means you’ll have old display drivers when the update is finished. I noticed because the old Intel 4600 drivers are terribly unstable on Windows 10. Had to reinstall the latest ones from the Intel website manually, same for NVidia drivers.

Just being me, obviously :) But no, i’m not a fan of modern day data gathering and the limp-wrist way most of the computer generation just hand over their most personal data, like i say we have history to take into consideration, and the global state of play in the world, a potential danger in combination.

You know I love you and your input here, man! :)

But no, i’m not a fan of modern day data gathering and the limp-wrist way most of the computer generation just hand over their most personal data…

Neither am I and I do think in time they will come to regret it and further generations will be more circumspect with what data they are willing to share.

…like i say we have history to take into consideration, and the global state of play in the world, a potential danger in combination.

Maybe, maybe not. Most of the data gathering and analytics these days in the in the hands of commercial interests, not government. Even then it is only the big boys playing hard at this stage. Most Enterprise business are still coming to terms with the idea of big data, let alone in an advanced state of implementation. And those that are are doing it are doing it for commercial purposes (ie to raise revenues through more intelligent interactions with customers, or reduce costs though better supply chain management), rather than anything nefarious. I am also not convinced Google, FB, MS, etc are in government pockets in regards to handing over that data, though it is a future worry should they be compelled. But I think they would be making a stink about it if that were the case as it an incredibly valuable commodity that would be devalued by handing it over to anyone without a commercial benefit.

Times have changed. There is now value in people’s browsing and posting habits, where they go, what they read, who they listen to, what they buy, how they move around, their schedules, their interests, disinterests, opinions, etc, etc. I’m not sure most people these days realise that, or that business profit from (trends in) that information.

The capitalist in me says that if Google and FB can profit from my search and posting history, then why can’t I get a slice of that? If I can’t, they I’ll limit what information I’ll provide and I think future generations will too. I am also disinclined to want to pay more insurance in a decade because those in my demographic have a tendency to do x, y, or z based on big data analytics. I don’t really want to be penalised for being just a number in their machine and cataloged based on what my peers do. If they want to harp on about value this and value that and how their service is individualised and tailored and I’m an important customer (because that’s the messaging all the marketing has), then they can fuck off with their analytical profiling and instead ask me some questions directly.

Governments are a different beast. Not sure how to handle that - if the government wants to come after you, you’re probably already screwed. Thankfully live in a country that still has laws that govern such behavior when targeted at individuals - warrants, due process, etc). That said, there is lots of really good reasons to analyse and trend data to significantly improve and strip cost from government service delivery at all levels. Say, analysing when people are browsing Netflix may be a great indication of when they are actually home, from which you can make improvements in delivery of utility services and better predict power/water usage and scheduling generation resources to suit. Or tracking who is using online payment services may make drastic changes in policies of sending paper based billing materials, reducing cost and environmental wastage. We love it when our local councils are ‘green’, right?

Data analytics is just a tool. We are barely scratching the surface of it’s value and how it can be used to better service us as individuals, as businesses, as governments, as fucking Earthlings. Don’t jump to conclusions that everything new is bad and somehow going to be used against us by shadowy corporations and governments as means of control and domination. And I say that as someone that is getting more cynical about that stuff as I age (though not as bad as my father-in-law).

P.S. - are you my father-in-law?

Has the media creation tool been updated to do a clean install of the latest version yet? I suppose it’s not a big deal if it does a clean install of the original version of 10 and then runs the update immediately, but it seems like wasted time, especially with what people are saying about how long it can take. That page from MS doesn’t say what update level the tool will install, and a quick Google didn’t reveal anything definite.

Yes. But you have to download the newest version. If you have the .exe from the previous version, it’ll install the original launch build.

I updated all 4 of my systems using the Media Creation tool.

Yes. But you have to download the newest version of the Media Creation tool. If you have the .exe from the previous version, it’ll install the original launch build.

I updated all 4 of my systems using the Media Creation tool. I didn’t do a clean install. Just used it to upgrade existing Windows 10 install.

One of my win10 cosmetic annoyances is how they didn’t allow users to customize the start menu/screen tiles for desktop programs. In windows 8/8.1, you could use Oblytile to do it, but in Win10 you needed to run a metro app in the background to customize tiles. As of the threshold2 release this is no longer the case-- with a simple manifest file in the executable’s directory you can completely customize the tile and labels. This program just came out to do it, and is still incomplete-- it didn’t list most of my games. But in the near future full customization will be possible. Hopefully threshold3 allows users to customize tiles through the GUI.

Note threshold2 has a bug where customized tiles for desktop programs don’t show up in the smallest size. Hopefully MS fixes that soon. You probably noticed that the Google Chrome tile doesn’t show up in the smallest size-- that’s why.