1701

After a few reboots Windows 10 Update popped up a notification stating “WiFi Sense requires my attention. Tap here to fix it.” Can you guess what “fix” means? That’s right, clicking that notification immediately re-enables WiFi Sense which I’ve disabled via ShutUp10! Fuck you Microsoft.

1702

To not endanger this becoming OT (we have threads for that, i might put something in the ‘everything online’ thread?) i will say thanks for your detailed post and that i am not your father-in-law :) I have a pretty good prediction and analysis hit rate (from the neo-cons to 9/11 and the big economic crash etc) and i just add Big Data and the danger to democracy to that. btw Windows 10 sucks, but i understand people don’t like change and how a near monopoly can be leveraged.

1703

On your recommendation I ran Disk Cleanup, but I can only recover 96 MB, so that’s strange.

That must not include the ATI device drivers. I have been keeping my driver up to date and after the update I still have the most recent driver (according to the thingy you run at the ATI website).

I also had WiFi Sense disabled before and it’s still disabled afterwards. However, I have not rebooted much since the update (maybe once or twice). I’ll keep an eye for them asking me to turn it back on and give 'em the raspberry.

1704

Did you click the “Clean up system files” button with the admin logo?

1705

Ditto for me. nVidia driver remains what it was before upgrade, which I suppose could just mean it matches the certified WSUS version… and WiFi sense hasn’t bugged me to turn it back on through either this or the multiple Insider upgrades my laptop has gone through.

I’m wondering if the folks seeing all this odd behavior are the ShutUp10 and other similar software users? Because (as LMN8R has pointed out a few times in this thread) undocumented/unsupported means just that ;-)

1706

The update caused me to start getting BSODs (a problem I had initially upon upgrading to Win 10 due to some old Intel drivers). I rolled it back for now. Ugh.

1707

For crying out loud…

Seriously, if games didn’t require windows, win10 would be it for me.

1708

Yep. If you use unsupported tools to disable settings, don’t be surprised if those settings end up being enabled again after you perform an update.

All of those settings can be disabled by using actual UI created by Microsoft. When you use the supported means to disable something, it’ll keep track of those settings in the right way and won’t enable them again.

1709

There is no supported way to disable telemetry on win10 home/pro, so that’s a bullshit non-answer. Shutup10 exists because MS doesn’t allow those settings to be changed in the UI.

Microsoft should respect the user’s very clear wishes. Not offering the UI to make these changes is one thing, but deliberately resetting the changes is another entirely. Their raw contempt for their users is palpable.

1710

I’m well aware of the allowances and limitations of each SKU. But I wasn’t talking about telemetry.

1711

That’s not exactly a surprise, given how many years we have been experiencing that good ol’ fuck-em-if-you-can Microsoft spirit (can we put a date on that? When did OS/2 die?). MS doesn’t ask, MS tells. And if MS gives you something for “free,” it’s not for your benefit.

Because what are you gonna do? Linux? SteamOS? Android? Unlikely, so suck it.

1712

Look, Microsoft is perfectly clear about what is collected and what isn’t collected. If you don’t like what’s being collected, you can turn the vast majority of it off. And what’s left - the completely benign and anonymous crash/stability tracking telemetry - can only be disabled if you’re running Enterprise.

I’m not here to argue whether that’s the right decision or not. But what’s inarguable is that you shouldn’t expect unsupported tools doing unsupported things to stick in the long-term.

It’s not Microsoft’s prerogative to ensure that ShutUp10’s or any other tool’s way of disabling WiFi Sense continues to work after an update or upgrade. It’s Microsoft’s prerogative to make sure that when you use Microsoft-supported ways of disabling WiFi Sense, those settings are preserved.

And if you’re using an unsupported tool to disable features that, as a whole, Microsoft explicitly states you’re not supposed to disable, I’m not really sure what you’re expecting to happen in the long run.

This isn’t a matter of “contempt” for users. It’s a matter of ensuring that features work as expected, as promised, and as explicitly stated.

1713

Reason why I’m still staying at 7/8.1 is the MS bullshit with telemetry, not to mention the fact that you are forced to install every update AND they hardly inform you what they contain. So far on W8 you “only” have to read through what every update does before you install them, just in case they add another “windows 10” update to the mix. Looking forward to next year when the W10 downgrade is supposed to become ‘Recommended’ and will thus get auto-installed at the laptops my parents use.

Staying away from W10 means you get to wait a bit so MS can retract their buggy updates and fix them.

Microsoft trying to become Apple makes Ubuntu look like a good alternative.

I suspect eventually having to run a W10 installation, I guess i will just have to setup a Windows Server + WSUS and Run W10 Enterprise LTSB and put a big firewall between the OS and all the collection features Microsoft runs in the other end.

1714

I expect them to respect my very clear fucking preferences. The upgrade process went out of its way to reset all that stuff. Someone sat down and decided to do it.

@RickH: The only reason I haven’t completely abandoned Windows over the Windows 10 privacy debacle is gaming. There is no other real reason to use Windows. Lots of people don’t play PC games. In the past, I’ve been recommending PCs for those people, as they’re already familiar with Windows and really, why rock the boat? No longer.

1715

So, Chromebooks for everyone?

1716

Your “very clear fucking preferences” go explicitly against what Microsoft has stated is allowed, so again I’m not really sure what you expected to happen here.

On Windows 10 Home/Pro, you are not allowed to disable some telemetry. That is an incontrovertible fact. The technical implementation of the feature is not up for debate. If you find a way to disable it anyway, that is a bug, and that bug will undoubtedly be fixed in the future, ensuring that the reality which Microsoft explicitly stated holds true.

On the other hand, for something like WiFi Sense which can be disabled on any SKU, the only supported way to disable it is by using Microsoft-created UI or admin policies. Trying to disable it using any other method is not guaranteed to work. In this case it sounds like ShutUp10 failed to implement their configuration of WiFi Sense correctly, in a way that Windows didn’t expect to see, so Windows reset it back to its default state after the upgrade.

Again, I’m not here to debate policies and politics. My personal opinion doesn’t matter here. I’m only talking about functional implementation.

When you bend software to do something it’s not intended to do, don’t be surprised when it stops working how you expect it to work.

So…automatic updates which can’t be disabled and Google’s notorious respect for user privacy?

1717

A lot of games I play have OS X versions nowadays. Even though my iMac doesn’t have a great graphics card, it still runs most games fine (I don’t play FPS). Honestly I am considering just going OS X only and getting a PS4 for everything else. Between the two, most games are covered and I would save money by not buying gaming PCs.

1718

I have root, so this is literally impossible. It sure would piss off their customer (me) even more if they turned it into an arms war, though!

1719

Man I had such a difficult time installing this latest Win10 update.

I had to try multiple times after rebooting on my Surface 4 Pro and my desktop and my HTPC. I would just get “update failed, see if this message helps” [nothing printed underneath] [retry button]

This does not bode well. These are wired machines, not wifi problems either.

1720

Really recommend using the Media Creation Tool to create a USB install drive for updating on these major Win 10 releases. You don’t need it for the monthly security patches, but it seems the USB key is the smoother, less painless path for the significant “point” updates.