Windows 10

RickH · 2015-11-19T09:40:51.000Z

Chris Nahr:

. . . complete with replacing drivers and uninstalling applications it doesn’t like.

Wait, what? What’s being nuked? That’s concerning.

Chris_Nahr · 2015-11-19T10:04:53.000Z

RickH:

Wait, what? What’s being nuked? That’s concerning.

As I said above my Windows 10 update removed Speccy due to being “incompatible” which it wasn’t – after reinstalling it worked just fine. I’ve also seen reports of third-party virus scanners getting uninstalled.

stusser · 2015-11-19T10:21:55.000Z

Yes, it removes a bunch of programs. You can see which were removed by looking in the C:\WINDOWS.OLD directory, assuming you haven’t removed it already via disk cleanup.

Pretty crappy that they didn’t tell users about that beforehand.

arrendek · 2015-11-19T10:54:39.000Z

Forbes

Massive Windows 10 Update Has Three Nasty Surprises

Windows 10's unstoppable 'Threshold 2' update has some problems...

#2 on their list. Total bullshit that MS would remove any installed program. If it thinks they have compatibility problems it could flag them instead and let you know somehow, but not remove them completely.

ineffablebob · 2015-11-19T14:17:04.000Z

Whelp, I done it. Installation was pretty smooth once I got the USB stick installer created…stupid media creation tool wouldn’t recognize it, had to burn an ISO to it. Otherwise, smooth sailing. Now we’ll see how long that lasts.

stusser · 2015-11-19T14:23:45.000Z

Remember to run shutup10 (if you care about your privacy).

LMN8R · 2015-11-19T14:36:29.000Z

Or, be sure to read this to learn what data is actually collected and then decide for yourself whether you think your privacy is being violated.

Instead of, you know, blindly running an unofficial tool which in this very thread has already proven to be unreliable in how it achieves both supported and unsupported configurations.

Equisilus · 2015-11-19T15:34:32.000Z

Chris Nahr:

A “cumulative update” for the update just dropped, as usual without any information as to what it contains.

Got to say that MS has the absolute worst “details” for updates (or errors, or anything else) that I’ve ever seen. In this case, the details says: Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3118754)
and
Install this update to resolve issues in Windows (which I can only see if I do an odd hover over the title)

Doesn’t even provide a link to the KB article. If you click the “Looking for information about the latest updates? Learn more” link, it simply does a search using bing for “check for updates in windows 10.” Absolutely bizarre. You have to go search manually. Don’t understand why such a small bit of info couldn’t be provided right there with the update.

I’ve been pretty positive about MS over the years but some recent behaviour (with OneDrive cutback and the Windows Update annoyances in Win10) has got me dropping my opinion.

sharaleo · 2015-11-19T16:00:44.000Z

LMN8R:

Or, be sure to read this to learn what data is actually collected and then decide for yourself whether you think your privacy is being violated.

Instead of, you know, blindly running an unofficial tool which in this very thread has already proven to be unreliable in how it achieves both supported and unsupported configurations.

It’s proven reliable. What’s not proven reliable is Windows honouring user settings during patching.

sharaleo · 2015-11-19T16:01:58.000Z

stusser:

Yes, it removes a bunch of programs. You can see which were removed by looking in the C:\WINDOWS.OLD directory, assuming you haven’t removed it already via disk cleanup.

Pretty crappy that they didn’t tell users about that beforehand.

And this is some real bullshit. How long until they stop me from installing any program that is not ‘certified’. All in the name of stability and providing me a better service.

Seriously, wtf:

Posters have a long list, including CPU-Z, speccy, 8gadgetpack, a Cisco VPN client, SATA drivers, SpyBot, RSAT, F5 VPN, HWMonitor and more.

Pyperkub · 2015-11-19T16:51:35.000Z

sharaleo:

And this is some real bullshit. How long until they stop me from installing any program that is not ‘certified’. All in the name of stability and providing me a better service.

Seriously, wtf:

RSAT was expected. Every new os has an updated RSAT. Here’s Windows 10’s.

LMN8R · 2015-11-19T17:21:55.000Z

sharaleo:

It’s proven reliable. What’s not proven reliable is Windows honouring user settings during patching.

No it is not. Windows honors your user settings when you configure those settings in the way Windows allows you to change them. But it breaks when you use third party tools to configure those same settings.

Again, I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand about this.

sharaleo · 2015-11-19T17:42:01.000Z

LMN8R:

No it is not. Windows honors your user settings when you configure those settings in the way Windows allows you to change them. But it breaks when you use third party tools to configure those same settings.

Again, I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand about this.

What, like default programs, which the update is reverting to MS services?

Are you telling me that if I make a change to how windows operates using a 3rd party program, of which the there are 1000’s and 1000’s people use to do any number of customisations (shutup10 is just a contentious one at the moment), that you think it is perfectly fine for MS to dictate to me I can’t do that and revert changes? C’mon every second program I have installed does something to how my OS operates.

LMN8R · 2015-11-19T23:08:50.000Z

I think it’s perfectly fine for Microsoft to ensure that supported configurations work as expected, without giving a fuck about what 3rd-parties do in unsupported ways.

There are public APIs and publicly documented group policies which enable you and third parties to configure pretty much every single setting in Windows in supported ways. ShutUp10 and many other applications choose to just scrape registry keys which they think is how settings are tracked and saved, when in actuality it usually misses some key details - including whatever is necessary to ensure that settings get migrated from build to build.

zx81-Amd64 · 2015-11-20T04:54:08.000Z

“YOU WILL DO WHAT OUR OS TELLS YOU TO DO”

Erm…no. Fuck Off MS.

stusser · 2015-11-20T05:43:15.000Z

LMN8R:

There are public APIs and publicly documented group policies which enable you and third parties to configure pretty much every single setting in Windows in supported ways.

If there was a supported way to disable all the privacy violations covered by Shutup10, that would be accurate. But there is no supported way to disable telemetry, and doing it manually is a ton of work, involving disabling several services, task scheduler entries, and making multiple registry changes.

sharaleo · 2015-11-20T06:13:33.000Z

stusser:

If there was a supported way to disable all the privacy violations covered by Shutup10, that would be accurate. But there is no supported way to disable telemetry, and doing it manually is a ton of work, involving disabling several services, task scheduler entries, and making multiple registry changes.

Working as intended! (Outside of Enterprise, I presume)

legowarrior · 2015-11-20T07:22:56.000Z

Tempest in a tea pot.

Anyway, two of my devices updated without any trouble. I am avid fan of products like google now which have shown to be more helpful the more they know. I get value out of the service, and it seems to me that Windows 10 is no different. They can give me a better service with my data.

inactive_user · 2015-11-20T07:38:24.000Z

Hey I was wondering if we have any data-privacy Luddites in this thread, can anyone help me out?

stusser · 2015-11-20T07:49:03.000Z

sharaleo:

Working as intended! (Outside of Enterprise, I presume)

Yep, that is correct. MS just pooh-poohs people concerned about telemetry.

Meanwhile, we’re using IMEI numbers, which are included in MS telemetry, to target drone strikes in the middle-east.