Windows 10

LeeAbe · 2015-11-20T08:24:24.000Z

legowarrior:

Tempest in a tea pot.

Anyway, two of my devices updated without any trouble. I am avid fan of products like google now which have shown to be more helpful the more they know. I get value out of the service, and it seems to me that Windows 10 is no different. They can give me a better service with my data.

I agree with you on Google and equivalents, but I haven’t seen anything in W10 that gives me anything close to this. The news app like to tell me stuff, even though I thought I had notifications off, that’s about it. What are you referring to?

legowarrior · 2015-11-20T09:14:42.000Z

Cortana will track appointments and like, and get you weather. It’s not nearly as full featured as Google now though.

stusser · 2015-11-20T09:32:04.000Z

Yep. Also you can turn Cortana off, but even with both Cortana and Web Search disabled, Win10 contacts Microsoft every time you run a local search. Only way to fix this is to block searchui.exe in your firewall.

Ginger_Yellow · 2015-11-20T09:33:52.000Z

legowarrior:

Cortana will track appointments and like, and get you weather. It’s not nearly as full featured as Google now though.

And yet it refuses to work at all unless you give it permission to rifle through your data. Google Now is a lot less functional if you don’t give it access to stuff, but at least it works.

legowarrior · 2015-11-20T09:35:40.000Z

Ginger Yellow:

And yet it refuses to work at all unless you give it permission to rifle through your data. Google Now is a lot less functional if you don’t give it access to stuff, but at least it works.

I don’t know. There is something about Cortana being unwilling to half ass it. I figure you use it or you don’t. The middle ground is for suckers.

Pyperkub · 2015-11-20T10:37:18.000Z

Adam B:

Hey I was wondering if we have any data-privacy Luddites in this thread, can anyone help me out?

I’m kind of wondering how a luddite is going to help…

ineffablebob · 2015-11-20T15:54:45.000Z

Hey, it’s Windows’ 30th birthday today. I should have waited another day to do my Windows 10 install.

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Woolen_Horde · 2015-11-20T16:52:54.000Z

ineffablebob:

Hey, it’s Windows’ 30th birthday today. I should have waited another day to do my Windows 10 install.

It’s still pretty damn impressive that you can upgrade a Windows 1.0 install all the way to Windows 10 (well, in this video, up to Windows 8, because 10 didn’t exist yet)

Giles_Habibula · 2015-11-21T02:30:28.000Z

legowarrior:

Tempest in a tea pot.

Anyway, two of my devices updated without any trouble. I am avid fan of products like google now which have shown to be more helpful the more they know. I get value out of the service, and it seems to me that Windows 10 is no different. They can give me a better service with my data.

If it’s so great, why not make it an option, and then those who wish to could opt-in voluntarily? Right now, the only ‘approved by MS’ way to opt-out is to stick with an older OS, which is what I’m doing for the time being, for other reasons.

To me, this is a matter of trust. You obviously trust MS to do the right thing. And indeed, it’s in their best interest to do so. Thus, I personally don’t really have a problem with this telemetry thing. What I have a problem with is that they are forcing those that may not trust them to do it anyway. There is no approved opt-out option. Tin-foil hat or not, the choice should be left to the consumer.

Once word gets around how great it is, people will eventually opt in. What bad thing will happen if they make it a choice? I would think that enough people will opt in right away so they can gather enough data to do whatever they need to do with it.

LMN8R · 2015-11-21T17:17:45.000Z

What on earth are you talking about. The tracking he’s talking about is only enabled if you turn on Cortana, and Cortana is opt-in, not opt-out. The data collection that you cannot opt out of is completely benign and no different from what Google also collects that you can’t turn off - especially if you use a Chromebook:

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stusser · 2015-11-21T18:51:22.000Z

Actually, searchui.exe contacting microsoft on local filesystem search even with Cortana and web search disabled cannot be turned off in any way-- the only recourse is blocking the executable in your firewall.

You think it’s benign. Microsoft does too. I don’t. Neither you nor MS gets to make that decision on my behalf.

Chrome (the browser) and ChromeOS absolutely do have similar telemetry, and I believe it is also turned on by default. The key difference is that Google allows users to opt-out-- you can go into advanced settings and uncheck “Automatically send usage statistics and crash reports to Google”. If MS did the same thing, that would be super.

Chris_Nahr · 2015-11-22T04:19:21.000Z

Hope everyone who wanted the Windows 10.1511 ISO already got it, because Microsoft inexplicably pulled the Media Creation Tool download. The tool has been reverted to the original Windows 10 release, so you’d need to install that and then re-upgrade to 1511. Mind-boggling.

ineffablebob · 2015-11-22T05:00:00.000Z

Chris Nahr:

Hope everyone who wanted the Windows 10.1511 ISO already got it, because Microsoft inexplicably pulled the Media Creation Tool download. The tool has been reverted to the original Windows 10 release, so you’d need to install that and then re-upgrade to 1511. Mind-boggling.

Holy cow. Glad I got my clean install directly to the the Nov update done when it was possible!

Becoming · 2015-11-22T05:56:28.000Z

Chris Nahr:

Hope everyone who wanted the Windows 10.1511 ISO already got it, because Microsoft inexplicably pulled the Media Creation Tool download. The tool has been reverted to the original Windows 10 release, so you’d need to install that and then re-upgrade to 1511. Mind-boggling.

What the fuck?

What kind of clown brigade has been making these decisions over there?

instant0 · 2015-11-22T06:16:08.000Z

Becoming:

What the fuck?

What kind of clown brigade has been making these decisions over there?

I guess they wanted more people to use Torrent sites.

Woolen_Horde · 2015-11-22T06:56:32.000Z

Wow, thankfully I did make an installation drive on USB of the November update. I’ve got a 1TB SSD coming in so I’m doing a fresh install this week.

Gedd · 2015-11-23T14:34:54.000Z

Argh. I was just planning to do a clean install free upgrade of Win10 on my laptop using my Win7 key this week. My understanding was this was one of the big things you could do now on the 1511 build, but if you can’t download the media creation tool for it, how in the world is that feature supposed to work?

stusser · 2015-11-23T14:41:38.000Z

It works fine unlicensed, you just can’t change your wallpaper and whatnot. Install Win10, upgrade it to 1511, then put in your win7 key.

Gedd · 2015-11-23T15:19:44.000Z

That’s part of the problem, 1511 isn’t showing for me in Windows Update. In most of the articles on them pulling out 1511 from the media creation tool there’s also a mention that if you install Win10, 1511 won’t show up for another 30 days as you’re put to the back of some queue. I don’t know if that’s speculation or not.

I also noticed the tool installed Win10 Home, but my Win7 key is Pro. Will it upgrade the install to Win10 Pro automatically whenever I do finally get 1511? I’m thinking yes based on what I’ve read.

legowarrior · 2015-11-23T17:56:15.000Z

1511 doesnt let you roll back to windows 7 or 8 so it wont download right away to give you the 30 days.