Windows 7 endless reboot problem stymies Microsoft

I guess I’m a Microsoft fanboy, but having watched all their OS releases closely as a developer since Windows 2000, Win7 is actually well beyond the SP1 for any of their older systems due to the fact that the core is largely just tweaked Vista SP2 and the UI chrome was in a much wider & longer consumer beta release than any previous OS’s.

Win7 is solid.

Also the article this thread links to is useless. I mean, I’m not saying there aren’t likely to be issues with Win7 on rare hardware configs, but name any OS/app/product and I’ll find you at least one thread where a number of users are griping about the same critical problem they’ve run into with it… this is, after all, the fuckin’ Internet.

Yes I wonder how long it took their creatives to dream up the fantasy that Vista was problematic.

Since Gary already bit, I guess I’ll ask :

Do you have examples of facts that were created out of thin air? And, also, please link to the video of the ad that contains them.

Here are a few chosen at random from here:

Better—Mac praises PC’s ability with spreadsheets, but explains that he is better with life stuff, such as music, pictures, and movies. PC defensively asks what Mac means by “better,” only to sheepishly claim a different definition when Mac tells him.

Mac is not better in any way at dealing with media files.

Elimination—PC attempts to find Megan, a new laptop hunter, the perfect PC. Unfortunately, no PCs are immune to viruses, which is Megan’s #1 concern, so PC leaves her with Mac.

Macs are not “immune to viruses;” there are far fewer viruses for Mac because there’s far less software period available for Mac, so this is disingenuous at best.

Meant for Work—PC, looking haggard and covered in stickers, complains about the kids who use him and their activities, such as making movies and blogging, which are wearing him out, saying that he cries himself to sleep mode every night. He complains that, unlike Mac, he is meant more for office work. PC then trudges off because his user wants to listen to some emo, and, with a loud groan, trudges off to show an Anarchy sticker on his back.

PCs have video editing software and blogging is web-based, and also PCs have things called “games,” which some would consider to be less than entirely work-oriented.

Network—Mac and PC, holding hands to demonstrate their ability to network with each other, are joined by a Japanese woman representing a new digital camera, who enters and takes the Mac character’s hand. While Mac and the camera are perfectly compatible and speak to each other fluently, PC—who cannot speak Japanese—is utterly confused and unable to communicate, representing that Windows PCs need a driver installation with virtually all new hardware.

This one would be more accurate if it showed PC flipping through a Japanese phrasebook for two minutes and then being completely fluent. As it stands, it’s clearly meant to send the message that your digital camera will not work with Windows, which is patently and obviously false.

PR Woman—Mac and PC are joined by a public relations representative (played by Mary Chris Wall), who has been hired by PC to place a positive spin on the reaction to Windows Vista and claims that many people are even downgrading back to Windows XP, but her response to claims that more people are switching to Mac instead is a sheepish “No comment.”

Hard to tell what this one was going for, but if it’s saying that more people bought Macs than computers with Vista, that’s not true, and if it’s saying that more people bought Macs than computers with XP after Vista was out, it may or may not be true, but it’s not really a point in Apple’s favor, so it’s disingenuous at best.

Restarting—Mac and PC explain how they both have a lot in common, but their discussion is hampered by PC’s unfortunate habit of freezing and restarting.

Computers don’t do this out of nowhere, and Macs are just as prone to the problems that cause serious system failures as PCs are.

Stuffed—PC enters slowly with a ballooned torso, explaining that all the trial software is slowing him down. Mac replies that Macs only come with the software you want (namely, the iLife package). As PC finally gets on his mark, Mac begins his intro again, but PC realizes that he’s forgotten something and begins to slowly leave.

Setting aside the fact that it’s incredibly pompous for Apple to assume that their pack-in software is the stuff that everybody wants, this is not an inherent feature of PCs. Plenty don’t come with lots of pack-in software, and no computer that you install Windows on yourself does.

Self Pity—Mac, for once, is wearing a suit, and explains that he does work stuff too, and has been running Microsoft Office for years. Upon hearing this, PC becomes despondent and collapses on the floor, begging to be left alone to depreciate.

This isn’t untrue, but I fail to see how Mac being able to do one thing that PCs can also do is the death knell for PCs.

Touché—Right after PC introduces himself, the Mac character replies, “And I’m a PC, too.” Mac explains to the confused PC that he can run both Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows, calling himself the only computer you’ll ever need.

Again, more disingenuous than outright dishonest, but I love that one of the selling points for the Mac is that it can run Windows, the operating system it’s been dumping on all this time.

Bill G, is that you?

One does not have to be Bill Gates to be irritated by advertisers that lie constantly.

Extarbags: you’re taking some of those waaaaay too literally.

I’d suggest that iLife is in fact far more likely to be something people actually want and will use than the nagware trial version bullshit that afflicts the vast majority of off-the-shelf PCs. If this wasn’t a problem, Microsoft wouldn’t have had to make a point of stressing that PCs bought from their new retail stores won’t be loaded down with bloatware as if that’s some kind of selling point when it should in fact be the norm.

And yes, there’s no bloatware if you install Windows yourself. By which you mean build your own PC from parts, which the vast majority of computer users can’t or don’t want to do. As someone who used PCs for around 20 years, I don’t think I ever saw an off-the-shelf model that didn’t come loaded with bullshit software. A friend of mine just bought an XPS laptop and the amount of useless annoying shit it came pre-installed with is ridiculous.

I constantly get new Dells that have nothing annoying other than third-party wireless software, which isn’t a big deal, really.

How so?

That cute little Japanese girl is waaaaaaaay too young for John Hodgeman? He is clearly too much of a nerd to be interfacing with her?

The Dell I bought a few months ago was pretty nice, actually. The only crapware it came with was some stupid Fences thing, which I guess some people even like. But it was easily disabled, and overall it was nothing like the ThinkPad I bought, which had a nightmare first boot (Java wants updates! Acrobat wants updates! Norton wants updates! Windows wants updates! Register Norton! Register Picasa! Register your ThinkPad!).

Someone told me Microsoft has a “Windows 7 Enhanced Experience” certification that guarantees a PC certified as such will not come from the OEM with a bunch of crap loaded at startup.

Found reference:

Careful, Brad Wardell makes that. Also, it’s awesome, and I had no idea it was high profile enough to come preinstalled on systems. I love Fences.

I salute you for going another round of this. But Midnight Son, EpicBoy and Gary are like the high priest, quireboy and born again convert to the church of Mac - it’s like arguing with creationists.

The only point I’m going to bother with is the notion that crapware sold with new pcs is somehow Microsofts fault. That it would be better if the OS was locked down and only Microsoft would tell resellers and customers what you’d get along with your new Windows pc.

Macs are great and I’d buy the new iMac 27" in a heartbeat if I could do without a decent graphic card - but since I still write about those pc exclusives called games, I can’t. Instead I’ll spend a bit of money on a SSD to install the Win 7-disk I got yesterday.

Yeah, Microsoft would love to be in a position to tell OEMs not to install bloatware, but if they make any moves in that direction that aren’t completely optional they’ll get sued again for anti-competitive behavior.

A part of me wishes Apple would get a significant majority of marketshare temporarily just to watch the heads of Steve Jobs and the Mac Thetan Level 4s explode when they couldn’t get away with having complete control of the user experience anymore.

A part of me wishes Apple would get a significant majority of marketshare temporarily just to watch the heads of Steve Jobs and the Mac Thetan Level 4s explode when they couldn’t get away with having complete control of the user experience anymore.

You mean like how they did for MP3 players and smart phones? Jobs’s head just won’t stop exploding.

MP3 players haven’t been general purpose computers (until very recently) so they are something entirely different, or at least they are still perceived that way.

Also, the jury is still out on the iPhone. Apple has already had to reverse position on some app store decisions due to the FCC getting involved and this sort of thing is going to increase over time. If the iPhone does gain a true majority marketshare in Europe, I giddily await the time when Euro iPhones ask you whether you want to run Safari or Opera Mini when you first install them.

Yes European regulations make everything better.

Microsoft couldn’t put this kind of software on there if they wanted. Hello, Anti-trust issues?

AFAIK Dell has a deal to license a number of stardock things (The dock being another, though whether that will continue with the new Win 7 interface I don’t know).

For the most part a clean Windows install + Stardock does 98% of the cool UI stuff a mac does:

Exception - Expose. Windows really, really needs a truly functional version of Expose that doesn’t crap itself when a DX/D3D game is running. Does Win 7 finally have virtual desktops and the like that work properly and integrate well with the OS?

(Also the Mac has Windows beaten hands down in that it has a fully functional BSD base, but I suspect the intersection of Mac afficionados and those who want to be able to drop down to a unix shell to do some X-Windows/shell script/perl work is pretty minimal.)