Wonder Woman 2017 - Beating Marvel to the punch


#143

Not to be a jerk, but you guys know about Wonder Woman’s real life origin right? Because that’s where the title came from.


#144

I don’t have a clue, I don’t read comics. I only know she flies an invisible jet and she’s Superman’s girlfriend.


#145

Not to be a jerk, but your thread titles, in an effort to be clever, frequently draw upon material people that not everyone knows, which often renders them confusing/bizarre/less useful than they might otherwise be.


#146

You should check it out. It’s actually pretty fascinating. Essentially, the creator of the character was also the inventor of the lie detector and was into polamory, bondage, and believed a matriachal society was the answer to a lot of the world’s ills.

It’s why the character has a magic lasso to bind men and make them tell the truth. It’s also why a lot of her early comics involve her being tied up then turning the tables on her male captors. Her male adversaries were bumblers and petty thugs, while her female enemies (like The Cheetah) are her almost equals. DC, of course, didn’t know any of this until much later.

Because her origin is tied into her creator’s sexual fixations, there’s actually quite a bit of debate about her status as a female empowerment symbol. This is in addition to her traditional comic costume that was created for the male gaze.


#147

That’s more than I ever wanted to know about the creepy Wonder Woman creator.


#148

So even when WW is being appropriated for female empowerment, with DC’s blessing (whilst also lining its own pocket), you still have to trivialise it with its questionable history. How very positive of you.

I’ve said it before, WW should wear full body armour. Her costume right now is still sexist. But a big budget female superhero as summer tentpole movie is progress, and I will happily take it rather than another grimdark Batman/Superman movie.

Would it be a great inconvience to you to shorten the title to just “Wonder Woman 2017”, I Wonder?


#149

I get the reference, and I don’t begrudge the joke, and certainly not the discussion about it. It’s still off-putting that the only female superhero movie thread has a creepy title.


#150

Bat signals are passe. Virtue signals are where its at!

Seeing it Saturday. Looks good so far, but I’ve not really watched too much of the trailers so as it is fresher when I see it. Gadot really seems to carry the strength of a Super Hero when it’s called for (again, based on a few shots I’ve viewed).


#151

Trivialize what? The character? By discussing her creator and her origins? Am I trivializing Superman if I say it’s the ultimate Jewish immigrant wish-fulfillment story? Even when later interpretations (with DC and Warner Bros approval) have portrayed Superman as the ultimate Jesus allegory?

But hey, I’m not insensitive to the prevailing opinion. How does the new title work for you?


#152

Puh-lease. I don’t think anyone in this forum is preening for crowd points. I’m not upset at telefrog, the origin of the character is nutty, and fascinating. It’s not a big deal. I would prefer less clever titles and this one is prima facia icky, and I’m probably being overly sensitive. My 8 year old daughter is excited to catch the movie this weekend and my own enthusiasm is heightened as a result. It’s simply a bit deflating to see the title every time I want to channel my excitement about it.


#153

Eh, yes? You are trivialising Jews rather than Superman with that claim. And you are trivialising women rather than Wonder Woman when you bring in all those history. Would you go and talk to, say, a black American with an icebreaker like “hey your ancestors came to America as slaves. IT IS HISTORY.”?

Thanks.


#154

I’m sure it’s less relevant here than my joke implies. But it’s not without some merit, I don’t think.

Regardless, I avoid the P&R forum like the plague, so am sorry for adding to the slight veer into identity politics here.


#155

It is widely acknowledged and accepted that Superman’s creators specifically drew on their own experiences and feelings as second-generation Jewish immigrants when they created Superman. This is a source of pride for many people, and the newer interpretation of Superman as space-Jesus actually downplays Siegel’s and Shuster’s creative spark.

Obviously, we view characters of myth through the lens of our times, so if someone wants to see Superman as Space Jesus, that’s their prerogative. I find his immigrant and acceptance origin story interpretation more satisfying.

Edit: What if I told you that Black Lightning’s real-life origin had its roots in a super-racist character named Black Bomber?


#156

Goddammit stop changing thread titles! Shitty thread titles are a part of what I love about Qt3!


#157

You must love the Diablo 3 and Mordor sequel threads.


#158

This looks awesome. We have a group of mostly ladies ready to see this Sunday. This same group typically enjoys Marvel and sometimes we see them together… this is the first DC movie anyone has cared about to actually get a group together though.


#159

The Diablo 3 thread is my favorite thread on all of Quarter to Three and I hate D3 with the fiery passion of a thousand vengeful suns.


#160

I got no problem with that. But if you only mentioned the creative history, without any context, that is exactly what someone would say, if the person tries to denigrate the characters or the people referenced. Talking about WW the movie as “Amazon(ian) bondage fetish time”, without any context, is exactly that.

“Amazonian” does sound more grammatically correct…


#161

My opinion is that writing “Amazon bondage fetish time” as the kicker to a Wonder Woman thread isn’t denigrating to women at all. First, as I’ve shown, the character’s origin is controversial and the character herself is still under debate as a women’s empowerment story. Second, nothing in that phrase is specifically negative. (Okay, maybe you have me on the grammar issue.) If you’re saying all acts of bondage or fetishes are negative, there would be quite a few sexually active women that would take issue with that. Finally, I believe her real origin to be important and worthy of mention because it was whitewashed and covered up for so long. Without the truth of her origin, we wouldn’t know that the two women in William Marston’s life, Olive Byrne and Elizabeth Holloway Marston, were physical and emotional inspirations for the character and even had input on her ultimate portrayal in the comics. And isn’t that more satisfying than saying she was solely created by a dude?


#162

Cripes, are we seeing the SJW’ification of QT3 now too? The original thread title was a harmless, humorous wink at Wonder Woman’s origin, which by now is so well known that no, it doesn’t require any additional contextualization. Those of you who were somehow ignorant of it until now, welcome the opportunity to have learned something new instead of using it as yet another excuse to stamp your feet and act offended. Ya bunch of sex-negative white-knighting muggles.