What? Wrong. A red card is a one match suspension by default, although FIFA’s disciplinary committee can choose to extend it for longer.
robsam
1802
See, this is why I was confused much further upstream in this thread, I thought reds were a two game suspension, but FIFA is confusing with their rules as to what cards are wiped clean after what round, depending on the tournament. I have never heard of a red card being only a one game suspension though.
Can we all agree FIFA sucks? I think we can.
FIFA Disciplinary Code, Article 18, Section 4
An expulsion automatically incurs suspension from the subsequent match, even if imposed in a match that is later abandoned and/or annulled. The Disciplinary Committee may extend the duration of the suspension.
I definitely thought the Suarez save was a great play, but wonder if it’s viewed differently elsewhere. In US sports, as long as it’s in-game and explicitly covered by the rulebook, it’s just part of strategy. You need to be excessively violent or commit a Palpably Unfair Act-esque play to really be considered a cheat
I’m kind of happy Brazil went out relatively early for them to discredit the Dunga ideology. Now we just need Argentina to win it all so that by 2014 everyone appoints flamboyent, attack minded non-coaches
Late to the party, but Occam’s razor says you’re arguing along because you’re wrong.
I’m with Tim. Suarez had little to lose and a great deal to gain. A red card simply isn’t much of penalty if it’s the difference between going home and advancing to the next round. I’d be howling if someone had pulled that stunt against the US.
I was rooting for Uruguay and while I’m glad to see them advance I wish they could have pulled it together without the handball.
robsam
1807
He made a split second decision to block the ball with his hand, it was instinctive, the foul was given and the PK was given and missed. He was ON THE LINE, he had blocked another shot literally one second before with his legs, he wasn’t thinking about what he had to lose or gain, he saw a ball going into the net behind him and he stopped it. Illegally. Why is this so hard for some of you to understand?? Ghana makes the PK, game over.
For what it’s worth, I’m with Tim.
robsam
1809
You are as blind as Eli. AND YOU CREATED HIM!!!
(Lots of my friends have watched your movie on DVD this week, they all loved it).
Parts of Tim’s arguments are fine - the penalty for a handball on a sure goal at the end of a game may be too light. I think it’s just the Uruguay and Suarez are dirty cheaters and I hate anyone who supports them at all and they should all be ashamed of themselves part of the argument that people have a problem with. 99.9% of players at that level would do the exact same thing. That doesn’t make them hateable save babies.
I don’t know a whole lot about the sport that the rest of the world calls football, but I actually enjoyed watching Brazil play in this World Cup. I was rooting for them. It sounds like I’m almost completely alone in this opinion, though. I can see how some people might find the style boring, but I liked how they seemed to lull teams into a sense of false security and wait for the right moment to strike with deadly efficiency.
I must have missed all that between the cheap shots and the crying.
robsam
1813
You forgot to mention the shameless diving. Brazil is no longer the team we all used to love to watch, whether we liked them or not. Germany plays a more beautiful game than Brazil now.
oh come on, you have to be able to appreciate good defensive playing as well.
I am the other dude that liked seeing Brazil play in this coup.
robsam
1815
Juan, good defensive playing is great, diving and acting like little bitches for 90 minutes is not. I have never been a fan of Brazil like most of the world seems to be, but they were worse than Italy at their worst today.
To be honest, part of it is the fact that Brazil is a World Cup powerhouse. They win or very cosistently place in the semifinals. More even than Germany which was joked about earlier. So a bit of what you are seeing is that people want a local team, or a Cinderella team, or anyone else to advance that has never been before. Sometimes it seems they act like jerks with a chip on their shoulder, but I think in all fairness, a lot of us project that on them even if not true.
Trust me, they have tons of fans. You are not alone.
Hmm. I do hate that myself. Only watched bits of yesterday’s game and didn’t see that behavior on the earlier ones, probably because they won them easy. I would be put off by that to be honest.
Also “worst than Italy at their worst” is just something you HAVE to back up mister!
CSL
1818
Once Brazil lost Elano though they didn’t look all that great.
It is ironic that faking, diving Ghana goes out on one of the few things more cynical in soccer.
But it is bad for the sport, the red is meaningless in this case, as far as this game is concerned. I vote to treat it like goaltending in basketball or interference in baseball and award the result, ie a goal.
I’m a bit late, but I’m with Tim, too.
How is taking a certain goal away, and giving an opportunity at a goal punishment, exactly?
Now if, say, Uruguay had to play a complete half with 10 only 10 men, because they’d lost Suarez at the end of extra time and there was a rule in place that going down to 10 men has to mean something and therefore carries over into the next game, I’d be a bit more understanding. But essentially Uruguay went from a certain loss to a win at the expense of, well, having a slight roster change. That’s an incredibly minor penalty compared to Ghana, who is out of the tournament, yet played the winning game.
