Dejin
5041
Doesn’t that get you dead? I always assumed ramming a French tank would be immediately followed by receiving the full cartridge load at point blank range.
Dave47
5042
I’m not entirely sure how the ramming damage model works, so I can’t comment about literally ramming. (Although it seems to work ok for me.) But if you can get the jump on them, engaging a French tank at close range tends to work out well if you’re driving a Ram II or an Easy Eight with the 76mm gun.
The trick is that the French tanks have paper armor, so even the QF 6 pounder will penetrate them. They’ll penetrate you right back, of course, but if they’re not holding a full clip they’ll get wrecked. And even if they are holding a full clip, they’ll emerge from the battle wounded with an empty clip. And knocking significant health off of the higher-tier French tank makes their typical “Shoot four shots, and take one in return” shenanigans much riskier, since the one incoming shot may well be fatal.
By the way, this is why I don’t really like the French tanks: Both their thin armor and their auto-loaders feel incredibly “gamey” in a way that doesn’t really feel like the World War II tank warfare that the rest of the game is trying to emulate. I also don’t like how the French line seems so meta-game focused: “Oh, everyone plays heavies. Let’s make a line of tanks that dominates heavies, but is, in turn, dominated by mediums!”
Yeah, I agree and IIRC the developers kind of agree as well - supposedly HE damage will be buffed a bit in the next patch.
I can totally see the reason for the change - previously, you didn’t have to aim with the HE rounds at all, you could hit a T95 straight in the face and still do half of its nominal damage. The devs want you to start aiming with HE, the problem is they overcompensated a bit and now it doesn’t matter if you aim or not, HEs do shit for damage. Hopefully they will find the correct balance.
As for the French, I think I like their addition. They bring more of these “oh fuck!” moments, where your (or their) mistake can mean your (or their) unexpected death. French tanks can bring a bit of a disarray into WoT combat that often tended to get stale.
Hard hitting fast moving tanks add more dynamics to the fights.
The flip side of it though is that French tanks also contribute to WoT’s worst quality - how random the fights get sometimes (penetration, damage, one-shots, lucky/unlucky crits, lucky arty hits, teams composition, etc.). An average E-75 player is still somewhat an asset to his team because, at the very least, it will eat up a fair number of enemy shots and slow down the enemy somewhere. An average AMX50-120 player is a liability because more often than not, he will just die useless. A bunch of French tanks on your team is what a bunch of Types used to be - maybe they just bought them and have no idea how to use them or maybe they farmed like 1000 battles in it and will kill all the enemies.
schurem
5044
My AMX 13-75 (tier 6 light) has a very significant win percentage. i’m not a particular good player, like a 52% overall win percentage. The little AMX takes luck, courage and agression. It may be small but it’s a man’s tank, make no mistake!
Speaking of big manly chunks of metal, i recently elited my King Tiger, and man strider, you didnt lie a word about the qualities of that. I have not lost a single battle in it since getting the final gun :D
Speaking of TD’s, that story about the T95 on campinovka makes me want to own one. What an awesome thing to do. Most people play that map like little bitches. Takes brass ones to do something like that. Saw two kv-5’s do it tonight. That won the map bigtime. rest of the freakin team fucking ignored them!
The jagdpanther and T-25AT are very much alike. Check their stats. Both are huge fun. quick, tough and very well armed.
I am glad you like your elited King Tiger. If it weren’t for my obsession with leveling up new tanks and I had to stick with only one tank, KT would be it. IMO it has the perfect balance of everything for its tier - armor, gun, mobility, profitability, matchmaker treatment, you name it.
About the T95. I’ve seen quite a few battles won solely by the fact that a team (or rather what was left of it) made sure no one could circle their T95. You take care of your T95 and it will take of you! :) Especially now, when arty is becoming kinda rare.
About the French. The devs said that according to the statistics they’ve gathered, some of the French tanks seem to be a bit overpowered and will be “adjusted” in the next patch. Two tanks were specifically mentioned - AMX50-120 and BatChat. I wonder what they are going to do to them, it seems to be pretty hard to balance them without making them completely useless.
I do too have higher than usual win ratio on French tanks but I also see countless number of them failing miserably in the battles I played.
AMX13-90 is a weird tank. What is the point of making a tier 7 tank so powerful and then balance it as a tier 8? I would rather prefer they made it a bit weaker and allowed it in the fights without tier 10. For all it’s worth, French med line has two tier 8 meds. AMX13-90 has it even worse though - Lorrein, as a med tank, gets to be a top tank from time to time. AMX13-90, as a light, never. I am getting tired of it.
Those BatChats are vicious, but I agree, it will be hard to balance them without making them either too fragile or toothless. I ditched my AMX 12t before getting the AMX 13 75, but I kept on with the heavy line. I’m only at the M4 1945 and it kinda sucks (stock, still, sadly, except for the tracks), but after that it looks kind of good.
I’ve thought a bit about how to balance out the french tanks and come up with a possible solution. Lower the penetration values. It looks like the low aiming times are supposed to even it out but that doesn’t cut it when they don’t have to aim to do damage. The occasional ping would help a bunch.
The KT is my favorite tank, bar none.
pyrhic
5049
Good times are coming soon! Only 10k left to get my t-50-2, only 20k to the t-44
I’m not even sure i’ll give up my t-50…
T-44 is a tank that took me a while to get to like. To be precise, it took me until I got it fully upgraded (except for the 122, which I don’t fancy); the best engine on it really makes a huge difference.
pyrhic
5051
no no no…you not be telling me that. The only reason i stuck with the t-43 was to get the 44…it
MUST
BE
GOOD!
I’m afraid not. The top Soviet mediums really aren’t that great. I was thrilled to get out of the T-44 and into the T-54, but that’s only because the T-54 is decent and the T-44 wasn’t. The fact that the Type 59’s could do most everything my 44 could while bouncing more shots and enjoying better matchmaking seeds didn’t help.
Dejin
5053
I really like the T-44. I find it to be a very solid, fun medium. The main issue with it though is it has a tendency to blow up! I definitely recommend the Wet Ammo Rack upgrade.
The T-54 was a bit frustrating until I got the final gun upgrade. It’s maneuverable and tough, but until that last gun upgrade it has trouble with heavies even a Tier or two below it. The last gun is quite good though. For a while, it felt like I was no better than the Type 59s, which are a there below me. But no longer! I now chew them up in a head-to-head fight.
ShivaX
5054
They already bounce about as much as other tanks their tiers, the problem most people run into is they tend to be driven by really good players, so they know where to hit.
I think if ammo rack hits slowed down the autoloader it would help quite a bit. Pretty much every turret hit to a French tank will damage the ammo rack, but that just means it takes a longer time to reload. You can still unleash all your shots at the same speed. If that ammo rack damage translated into making your autoloader take 2-3 times as long to fire it would make a big difference and give people a reasonable defense against them.
Dejin
5055
Battle of Kasserine Pass Special
11:30 UTC on February 17, 2012 until 11:00 UTC on February 20, 2012
5x experience for the first victory of the day on all of your tanks
30% discount on all gold-purchased camouflage
50% discount on the following vehicles:
M3 Lee - 77,650 (normally 155,300)
M3 Stuart - 26,700 (normally 53,400)
M4 Sherman - 125,250 (normally 250,500)
M10 Wolverine - 180,600 (normally 361,200)
PzKpfw III - 91,250 (normally 182,500)
PzKpfw IV - 122,150 (normally 244,300)
PzKpfw III/IV - 95,400 (normally 190,800)
PzKpfw VI Tiger - 628,350 (normally 1,256,700)
schurem
5056
I think they are fine. They are paper thin so a few shots of concentrated fire take them out. All it takes is not being utter ponces about it.
5X eh, i could use some of that :/ too bad we euros dont get that :(
ShivaX
5057
Honestly, I have zero issues with them, but if they’re going to make a nerf or change I think mine is the most logical. Dropping number or shells or damage or penetration could very easily make the tanks worthless. All they really have is firepower. On paper the things are completely worthless if you look at the numbers.
A mediocre gun with 6 rpm on a tank with less armor than a Tier5 medium? Color me impressed!
Yeah, lowering penetration is IMO a terrible idea. With all the recent changes, penetrating already feels like a dice roll. On AMX50-120, I routinely don’t penetrate Stugs, T-50s, etc. Penetrating a side of any IS calls for celebration. If anything, they should lower damage but leave penetration alone because it REALLY sucks when you bounce 4 rounds in a row.
Especially with French because that little M4E2 with 5% health that you failed to penetrate will kill you 2 times before you reload.
Not only that but by touching penetration, you are affecting not one tank (let’s say BatChat) but a whole bunch of tanks that use the same gun (in this case, Lorraine, AMX50-100 and stock AMX50-120). Maybe lowering penetration on BatChat would be tolerable - they are supposed to flank their targets anyway - but it would be a death sentence for AMX50-100 as any tier 8, for example Type, would kill it with ease (Types already have pretty good chances against French, depending on a situation).
Ammo racks (and crewmen) affecting the autoloader sounds like a good idea.
French are a glass cannon, lots of damage but very fragile. So maybe to balance them, the key is to let them keep their lots of damage but make them even more fragile. Although, this will not really affect the good players but will majorly screw up the average/bad ones as well as the teams that have them.
Only please, none of that lottery bullshit that is ammo rack explosions. In one CW fight a couple of weeks ago, I one-shotted two IS-7s in a row. That’s just bullshit.
Just to set the record straight, WoT players with non-premium accounts do need to have their lower tier tanks earn credits to support their higher tier tanks.
Question: Why is it that the regular tanks do not make the money and the experience they don’t make anything. I am not a premium member but that should not matter. I lose so much on my t 32 heavy tank and I should be making anywhere between 20,000 or more in a battle. I don’t make anything but I worked hard to get where I am at in this game. It upsets me that this game does this. Most people do not have the money buy premium and when we do get in to a heavy tank we don’t make anything. I cannot make any money why is this and is this going to change and be equal to a premium.
Answer: The primary reason that high tier tanks are made to be unprofitable is for diversity. If these tanks were more profitable, then people would only drive the highest tier tanks and there would be very few people playing mid-tier tanks. This is why mid- tier tanks are the most profitable standard tanks in the game. The more mid-tier tanks in the game, the more chance there is for those tanks to have matches where they are both the highest and lowest tiered tanks in a battle. If there were more high- tier tanks, the mid tiers would get in tougher matches more often. To answer the question on premium, you can make more credits faster, but this is not required to continue playing the game, you just need to take a detour and have a full stable of tanks to support your upper tiered tanks.
Source.
RichVR
5060
DAMN IT TO HELL! I’m in a Marder, lower half of the game. I get 5 kills and we come from behind. Three of my guys left and one of theirs.
A DRAW! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!
Sorry.
Edit: Seems I got a Halonen’s medal for that fiasco. Still would have preferred a win.
