World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

RLMullen · 2010-10-15T08:54:21.000Z

avakki:

Hunter friend of mine had same feelings. It’s not the same class which he originally played and is probably going to reroll.

I demoted my hunter “main” to the bottom of my stack of alts when WotLK hit, and I rolled a DK to be my “main”. I’ve played more of my hunter in the past few days than I have any of my other characters. I’m not sure that my hunter will return to “main” status, but he’s certainly in the number 2 slot.

I think the hunter redesign is the best thing to happen to the class since it was first implemented. The hunter now plays like ranged fighter instead of a caster with a bow/gun.

Mike_Cathcart · 2010-10-15T09:02:32.000Z

markv:

The only way to get rid of cookie cutter specs is to instead have talents be fun and interesting, instead of contributing to min/maxing for dps/healing/survivability as much as it currently does. It’s been told to them on numerous occasions, however they refuse to go that route.

I think they refuse to go that route because balancing for 5 or 10 different versions of every spec scares the hell out of them. Cookie cutter might be boring for players but at least it lets them make a lot of assumptions for balancing.

Lorini · 2010-10-15T09:12:18.000Z

Thanks Les. Word is that Mastery is not helping Fire Mages at 80. Assuming you are at hit (which I was at last week but wasn’t when the patch hit), it’s haste>crit>mastery. Haven’t tried it yet.

Athryn · 2010-10-15T09:24:12.000Z

Yeah, I didn’t really like my hunter all that much when Wrath came out either, and from what people are saying, hunters are more like what they used to be in BC (seems that way for a lot of classes, actually,) which is good news for me.

AaronSofaer · 2010-10-15T09:57:46.000Z

Okay, I just solo’d Sunken Temple on my protadin at level 49.

I’m not complaining anymore.

Fozzle · 2010-10-15T10:15:31.000Z

My Druid just became fun again. Eclipse doesn’t make me want to facepalm every time it pops and I have to run somewhere, or wait for a boss to come back from wherever it went. I can MFMFMFMF again! Moonfire and Insect Swarm actually became healthy chunks of my DPS…and I think I gained a solid 3K DPS just from the patch.

That being said, I t least have reasons to break from the usual WWWWW<eclipse>SFSFSFSF that was the monotony of my life =)

RobotPants · 2010-10-15T10:41:34.000Z

Yeah, elemental shamans finally have something else to do besides lightning bolt spam. I’m liking it quite a bit so far.

sluggo · 2010-10-15T14:29:24.000Z

I don’t know if this is breaking news or not, but for those interested in such things, they’re going to be premiering the new Cataclysm TV spot during the Cowboys / Vikings game this weekend, which is the 4PM (1PM PST) game on Fox.

(Which, although I realize they’ll run it plenty of other times and it’ll be instantly available on the internet, strikes me as an odd place for a premiere. Does the whole country get that game? Why not during Halladay v Lincecum in primetime Saturday night?)

JonRowe · 2010-10-15T15:29:45.000Z

The Vikings/Cowboys game is going to be one of the most watched games in the afternoon.

Which team is more washed up? The battle will tell the tale.

Lorini · 2010-10-15T16:35:41.000Z

OMG NERF! QQ! Gnash Teeth!

Fire Specialization now increases damage of Fire spells by 10%, down from 25%.

inactive_user · 2010-10-15T16:46:53.000Z

Jon Rowe:

The Vikings/Cowboys game is going to be one of the most watched games in the afternoon.

Which team is more washed up? The battle will tell the tale.

See, I’d snark at you on the Vikings’ behalf, but then you’d just bring up the Badgers/Gophers butchery, and I’d have to go cry, and everything would suck.

Lorini · 2010-10-15T16:47:52.000Z

Adam B:

See, I’d snark at you on the Vikings’ behalf, but then you’d just bring up the Badgers/Gophers butchery, and I’d have to go cry, and everything would suck.

How about those Twins? :)

inactive_user · 2010-10-15T16:50:08.000Z

Better than either of your teams :p

Lorini · 2010-10-15T16:57:29.000Z

Adam B:

Better than either of your teams :p

Hey I needed to lash out at somebody after getting nerfed into the ground :)

Nathan_Phoenix · 2010-10-15T17:05:25.000Z

Mike Cathcart:

I think they refuse to go that route because balancing for 5 or 10 different versions of every spec scares the hell out of them. Cookie cutter might be boring for players but at least it lets them make a lot of assumptions for balancing.

Why even have talents at all if the design decision is to shoehorn everyone into the same choices?

Lorini · 2010-10-15T17:16:14.000Z

Nathan Phoenix:

Why even have talents at all if the design decision is to shoehorn everyone into the same choices?

Probably because there are PvP vs PvE decisions still to make.

Nathan_Phoenix · 2010-10-15T19:27:00.000Z

That’s the one decision that I don’t think is fun to make though.

RobotPants · 2010-10-15T21:27:42.000Z

From the trees I’ve fiddled with so far on my various 80s, the number of actual choices isn’t much different than before. In a few cases, there’s more freedom than there was. You can’t dive into the other trees as much now, but you also don’t need to.

Tankero · 2010-10-15T22:11:18.000Z

As a feral, there are a few choices you can make to optimize yourself to the tanking/DPS/PvP roles. Parenthetically, and paradoxically at that, the feral DPS rotation’s complexity has actually increased. Now we have to decide when to feral charge for the free ravage – which is awesome, mind you – contrary to Blizz’s stated intentions.

malkav11 · 2010-10-15T22:30:55.000Z

Eh. On my DK - and DK talent trees admittedly may not be representative - I had to take every single DPS-oriented talent in the unholy tree to get to Summon Gargoyle at the end, plus a point or two in talents like Desecration that really don’t seem to have any meaningful purpose outside of PvP. For tanking spec it was a bit different in that there’s still a fair number of DPS boosting talents in there, possibly for threat generation, but still, very little wiggle room.