IMO HoO is like one of the easiest instance right now, pretty much all humanoid trash until you get to the last 4 boss, almost every class have some type of CC for humanoid.

bosses are also fairly straightforward, and casting on camel is always fun.

even healing as a priest, I can straight out MC one and have it die before MC runs out.

Admittedly, yes, camel-casting is hilarious. It makes me giggle constantly.

However, I think that the chaos boss - the guy who summons the portals - is a pretty big pain in the butt.

I think the easiest Heroic depends on who’s your top player. If you have a good tank, Heroic BRC is cake. A great interrupter? Throne of the Tides. Good heals? Tol’vir.

The only ones that I found very hard are Stonecore and Grim Batol (and Ripsnarl. Ahh, Ripsnarl.) The others just depend on the group.

I completed HoO and Tol’vir last night. HoO was much more doable at 85 than it was at 84, and with slightly better gear as well.

I personally found Tol’vir harder to heal than HoO. There are a number of trash mobs with huge aoe attacks in there that really overwhelmed me a few times.

Either that or we had really stupid DPS, I couldn’t really tell.

In fact, when things go bad I can never really tell who was the cause of it because I’m so focused on healing people that I find I don’t have time to notice whether it was the tank who was bad at holding aggro, or the DPS not managing his aggro well enough.

Haven’t done Grim Batol yet, I’ll see how it goes tonight.

Grim Batol’s boss fights are awesome. The final one really made us work as a team and get our timing just right.

I love learning heroic bosses :)

Yeah, heroics are at a nice point now where they are challenging, but doable with a good group.

The main issue with heroics right now is that too many players are treating them as if they should be easy and lots of fights don’t get taken seriously until a wipe or two happens. I’ve gotten a few gung-ho tanks who think it’s okay to pull the boss without clearing the room. Most of the time that really doesn’t work out.

Sweet, thanks very much.

Anyone know of a site other than wowhead’s where I can put together and compare gear profiles? Wowhead’s is broken at the moment.

I’m still gearing up for heroics. My ilevel is 327, with no enchants. What’s a decent to good dps number that I should be aiming for? It’s kind of hard to tell how I’m stacking up to other dps. The time I compared printouts with my recount, the other person had a wildly different number than I did for my total damage done, let alone DPS. I do reset at the beginning of every instance, so I don’t think it’s that.

My number for that person was very close to their own estimate though.

I was pulling around 8k, 8.5k when I first went into DPS as an Elemental Shaman. As long as you’re pulling at least 6k, you should be good to clear the instance.

Damn, 8k? Last run* I was at 6.5k, though my own recount put the next closest person at about the same… so something is fishy. I’m probably not standing close enough to the other dps to pick up their numbers or something.

Hrmmm, at least that gives me an idea of where I should be at. Thanks. :)

*Not the same run mentioned in my previous post.

I’ve been playing the game for a while. :) Right now, with an ilevel of 350, I’m pulling around 11k-11.5k (particularly my last Throne of the Tides Heroic run).

That’ll go up a bit when I pick up a 1H weapon (maybe the Conquest point weapon, if nothing better drops) and get the shield crafted, finish enchanting my items, replace my green-quality gems with rare-quality gems, and finish grinding out Exalted rep with The Earthen Ring and Therazane…

Hm. That’s rather a longer list than I thought it was. Honestly though, you’re at the point of going -into- Heroics, I’m at the point where I’m running Heroics mostly to grind rep. :)

So I was running around in the outgrowth or overgrowth or whatever the hell it’s called and I got ganked by an 85. I’m 35, so that was annoying. So I go respawn and continue on my merry way. I’m in the middle of a quest where I basically have to defend a point against waves of beasties from a portal when I notice another uber horde dropping out of the sky to my right. And then another to my left. And then another. And then another. I figure I’m dead if they want me to be, so I ignore them. The big bad comes out of the portal and one of the horde one-shots the thing. They finish up whatever it was they were doing and leave.

I was amused.

They probably did / do the Loremaster stuff in the zones (certain amount of quests).

When I did them / do them I’m always a bit hesitant to “help” lowbies because I massively interfer in their “world” that way by one-shotting that “elite” boss.
Usually I check whether the player is handling it and only interfer if he / she is near death.

So I decided to stop messing around the old zones and start going through the 80+ content. And I got really unpleasantly surprised. I’m getting my ass kicked. I didn’t know I was so undergeared. It’s my fault of course for not running dungeons more but I feel like a wimp right now. The first weapon I’m about to get as a quest reward actually has double the DPS of my current one. I had no idea I had fallen so far back.

In other matters, the remote auction tool is a very, very needed addition. I love it.

They did a fairly massive gear reset with Cata. I got a quest green on par with my ICC-25 bow.

I had two interesting experiences with the LFD tool last night that I think are worth sharing.

In the first, there was a discussion in /g about getting a group together for a random dungeon. Three guildies joined, so we needed two PUG members. We didn’t have a tank online at the time, but we did have a feral (cat) druid who was putting together a set of bear gear. He was concerned that he might not be ready for tanking heroics yet, so we discussed running a non-heroic random first to test how easy (or hard) he would be to heal. I went afk for a few minutes, and when I returned to my computer, we queued up and got Halls of Origination.

Everything was going smoothly until we got to the first boss (with the levers below). We wiped three times because the snakes in the pit kept killing the people assigned to pull the levers. After the third wipe, I remarked on vent, “What’s happening? We’ve never had trouble with this boss before.” We then killed him on the next attempt.

Fast-forward about forty minutes and we’re now at the second-last boss. Up until that point, all the bosses had dropped gear that wasn’t for my class/spec, so I only gave the items a quick cursory glance before rolling disenchant. This time, the boss dropped an item that was an obvious upgrade for me, so I rolled need. Upon closer inspection, I noticed that it was an ilvl 346 blue marked “Heroic”. Apparently we’d been doing the dungeon on heroic the whole time and I hadn’t even realized it! I guess when I was afk they decided to just run a heroic instead of doing a normal dungeon first. Did I ever feel stupid!

A few hours later, three guildies and I (rogue, hunter, ret paladin, holy priest) queued up for a random heroic. We needed a tank, so we waited for nearly 30 minutes before our dungeon (heroic SFK) launched. After the loading screen, the first words said by our PUG tank were, “hurray, my first heroic!”. This did not instill the rest of the group with a sense of confidence.

It was apparent that our tank had plenty of experience with WotLK heroics but none in Cata, because he did every pull the “Wrath way”, running up to the group and using his AoE threat abilities, CC be damned. He ignored us when we told him that we needed to shackle and trap targets instead of AoE facerolling the trash packs. He was also being a jerkoff in party chat, constantly asking which bosses drop tank loot and complaining whenever a BoE green dropped that wasn’t tanking plate. We discussed kicking him on vent, but we didn’t want to wait again for another tank, so we decided to stick it out.

Somehow, miraculously, we made it through the entire run without any party member dying. We even earned the “To the Ground!” achievement on Commander Springvale, a boss we skipped after several wipes the previous time we ran H-SFK with a full-guild group. Unfortunately, I think we may have taught this PUG tank some bad habits because his AoE facerolling strategy actually worked (although at the cost of our healer having to drink after every pull). He’ll probably be less inclined to use CC in future heroics because he didn’t need to with our group.

So maybe the lesson here is that heroics aren’t as hard as we all thought at first, and a week’s worth of gear upgrades makes a huge difference?

I dunno, MarchHare, my (admittedly limited) experience with LFD pugs shows them to still be pretty horrible. Got into a HoO today that couldn’t get past the first boss, went through 3 Paladin Healers (they all ragequit) then our tank ragequit because when we got yet another Paladin healer we wouldn’t auto-kick him for being a paladin. Got a Paladin tank and it didn’t work yet again. That’s been my normal completely random LFD heroic experience so far.

Wow, I got totally hosed in the Mount Hyal quest chain. I got out of phase or something at the Shrine of Aviana. I have no quests, no breadcrumb quests, and I can’t find any anywhere. Even flying around I see spots that are either quest hubs or monster spots that are empty.

The phasing makes for better opportunity to guide the experience and can add a lot of dramatic effects, but when it goes off the rails the game halts. My options are to find mobs and grind them for XP or go back and go to seaworld and pick up that line of quests.

I have a ticket in. About 24 hours now. We’ll see how long it takes to get a reply and what reply I get.

Still having a ton of aweful tanks in LFD running in with aoe shit on the ground and breaking sap / sheep etc.
Some will leave the group even after surviving those pulls without any words.

We had 4 tanks bail on HoO normal last night without any wipe…

Maybe I should do heroics as those guys probably are not there (yet)

What really pisses me off is if people state they are there the first time and none explains them shit / waits for boss pulls to outline the basics).
Yesterday in HoO I had to jump to both levers as none other dps knew what to do (Being a lock that was not so hard with one time teleport + aoe fear on snakes). Still makes shit extra hard trying to tell people what to do / not to do while tank runs in already.